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		<title>@Pizza_Party:  so simple, yet so effective</title>
		<link>http://marketingconversation.com/2009/04/09/pizza_party-so-simple-yet-so-effective/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the way it&#8217;s done.  Or at least should be done.
And it&#8217;s due to a guy named Bear who&#8217;s changing the rules of marketing.
Santa-Clara Pizza-Party is a 47-year old pizza restaurant out of Santa Clara, CA.   In many ways, it&#8217;s probably like any other small privately owned pizza place.  You go in and there&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2009%2F04%2F09%2Fpizza_party-so-simple-yet-so-effective%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2009%2F04%2F09%2Fpizza_party-so-simple-yet-so-effective%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p id="__mce">This is the way it&#8217;s done.  Or at least should be done.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s due to a guy named Bear who&#8217;s changing the rules of marketing.</p>
<p>Santa-Clara Pizza-Party is a 47-year old <a class="zem_slink" title="Pizza" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza">pizza</a> restaurant out of <a class="zem_slink" title="Santa Clara, California" rel="geolocation" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.3544444444,-121.969166667&amp;spn=0.1,0.1&amp;q=37.3544444444,-121.969166667%20%28Santa%20Clara%2C%20California%29&amp;t=h">Santa Clara, CA</a>.   In many ways, it&#8217;s probably like any other small privately owned pizza place.  You go in and there&#8217;s a grand list of the types of pizza they offer, you&#8217;ll smell the scent of melted cheese, you have have linoleum tables with napkin container and plastic condiment shakers.  But in one way, it&#8217;s very much different.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because of Bear Silber, the 26 year old co-owner.  He&#8217;s taken the initiative to use <a class="zem_slink" title="Social media" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media">social media</a> marketing tactics simply because it makes COMMON SENSE.  And it works.</p>
<p>He uses the idea of connecting with people online to create a sense of community around Pizza Party.  From this, he&#8217;s developed a sense of trust from those he knows online &#8211; his followers and friends from <a class="zem_slink" title="Facebook" rel="homepage" href="http://facebook.com">Facebook</a> and on <a class="zem_slink" title="Twitter" rel="homepage" href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a>.  This means he can use these networks as promotional vehicles &#8211; directly talking to the people who are likely to respond.  And because he&#8217;s built trust with them, the promotional aspect is fine &#8211; because it&#8217;s both low key and its for the benefit for the recipient.</p>
<p>I saw this story via a tweet and then hopped over to <a class="zem_slink" title="YouTube" rel="homepage" href="http://www.youtube.com/">YouTube</a> to watch this news report:   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPv1vQcDymQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPv1vQcDymQ</a></p>
<p>The quote that I love best is &#8220;Immediately when I have an idea, I can (pause) tweet it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s that simple to reach the 1150 or so followers on Twitter.  A free form of <a class="zem_slink" title="Advertising mail" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising_mail">direct mail</a>.  From Bear&#8217;s idea packed brain to close to 1200 pizza loving fans who have declared that they want to be notified of quick promotional messages.  I mean, why not do this?</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve got their own Facebook page right here:  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=1396592777&amp;ref=ts">http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=1396592777&amp;ref=ts</a> in which the latest update is:</p>
<blockquote><p>Come beat Bear at a handstand competition and receive a free mini pizza &amp; soda! Good until 3pm only.</p></blockquote>
<p>How cool is that?</p>
<p>I interviewed Bear via email &#8211; he quickly Googled my name and found me here on Marketing Conversation after I left a comment on the YouTube video.  He tells me that, yes, he&#8217;s seen a &#8220;small tangible&#8221; increase in business since he&#8217;s started using <a class="zem_slink" title="Social media marketing" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_marketing">social media marketing</a>.  He hasn&#8217;t givne up on the traditional stuff &#8211; a good idea in my opinion &#8211; as his immediate local neighborhood is families.  But he doesn&#8217;t do it as much and likely saves on marketing expenses as a result.</p>
<p>Of course it helps that he&#8217;s near <a class="zem_slink" title="Apple" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com">Apple</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Google" rel="homepage" href="http://google.com">Google</a>, Northrup Gruman, <a class="zem_slink" title="eBay Marketplace" rel="homepage" href="http://ebay.com">eBay</a>, and Nividia.  Fertile ground for tech savvy types.</p>
<p>Now Bear does have a background related to marketing &#8211; he and his brohter used to own a web design/marketing company.  But what impresses me completely is his answer to my last question&#8230;Any more thoughts?  His response:</p>
<blockquote><p>Other thoughts&#8230;.I think &#8220;marketing&#8221; is an interesting idea. If you relaly enjoy what you&#8217;re doing then you&#8217;re going to talk about it anyways. Honestly pizza is ALL I ever talk about and I get so enthusiastic about it. People call it marketing but really I&#8217;m just talking about what I want to and what interests me. If you love what you do it will come across and people will see the pride you take in what you do. They will be able to tell the sincerity of it and the will come across so much better than &#8220;advertising&#8221; or &#8220;marketing&#8221; a business or product.</p></blockquote>
<p>Passion.  This guy is so cool.  He&#8217;s going places.</p>
<p>And, as a follow up, tonight I was in my local pizza joint.  With the recession, business is down.  I&#8217;m sending the manager this story via email and I&#8217;m going to help him get going on this.  After all, it&#8217;s COMMON SENSE.</p>
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		<title>Why is PR Slow to Adapt to New Media?</title>
		<link>http://marketingconversation.com/2009/02/23/why-is-pr-slow-to-adapt-to-new-media/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all the discussion on what social media is, what it’s future will be like, who will control it, I often feel we fail to see the forest for the trees. 
I see it as too diverse of a phenomenon to pin down with one easy definition.  Its applications go far beyond the neat [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F30%2Fso-then-what-is-social-media-all-about%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F30%2Fso-then-what-is-social-media-all-about%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><span>With all the discussion on what social media is, what it’s future will be like, who will control it, I often feel we fail to see the forest for the trees. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>I see it as too diverse of a phenomenon to pin down with one easy definition.<span>  </span>Its applications go far beyond the neat capsules that can be used to pick a particular department or function that should “own” it.<span>  </span>Social media is creating, empowering, and accompanying a paradigm shift in the way we use all media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>Are we fully there yet?<span>  </span>Of course not.<span>  </span>These are only the early stages, part of an evolutionary process that often comes step by step.<span>  </span><span> </span>But those steps are happening and happening and soon we’ll look back and be amazed how far we’ve traveled.<span>  </span>Then before we know it again, we’ll be stepping again and look back again and we’ll be amazed how much we’ve come from that first time we looked back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>Yes, organizations are going to have to harness social media in ways that they can benefit from, to reach ROI.<span>  </span>This means trying to create some sort of structure for it without “siloizing” it.<span>  </span>Very difficult indeed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>I’ve tried to lay out what I see social media as.<span>  </span>Not from a specific definitional standpoint, but from a several miles up point of view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Social media can be a practice within itself</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Social media&#8217;s possibilities extend beyond any traditional established practice (advertising, PR, sales, etc.) to the point that it can be a practice within itself. It can be spread across many departments and, thus, will often need practitioners who can implement coordinated efforts within an organization. The strategic methods used will often have enough attributes on a stand alone basis that it shouldn’t come underneath the heading of another specific department.<span>  </span>I&#8217;d put social media on the same par as advertising and PR. Full service social media firms have sprouted up such as Abraham Harrison to meet today’s needs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be a service</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Because social media is still in its nascent stages, clients and potential clients don&#8217;t always need comprehensive solution packages. They may need to know how to set up a blog and how to get traffic for it. Simple as that. Helping a company to start a blog is a service. So is creating a podcast. Many clients look to cherry pick services to satisfy their needs.<span>  </span>For some in social media, providing a non-coordinated menu of services is where it&#8217;s at. While social media agencies are an emerging industry, there’s not widespread demand quite yet, leaving many practitioners as service providers.</p>
<p><strong>Social media is strategy based<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A company decides to let go of some (but not all) control of its marketing communications message. <span> </span>It views its customers and users on a somewhat equal level and not as blocks of ears to be shouted at and throats to have messages shoved down.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another company uses blogs to work with customers to improve products or come up with new ones.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These are strategic changes that are being implemented.<span>  </span>Social media can change the nature of an organization because it changes the way an organization looks at itself and its relationships with its stakeholders.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore the strategy behind social media empowers change like nothing else can.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is tactically based</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The many tools of social media can be designed to manage a problem or a series of problems.<span>  </span>That’s not something that necessarily changes an organization.<span>  </span>It’s can implemented based strictly upon need.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This can cause a lot of frustration amongst social media strategists as we see a lot of potential opportunities for business not being fulfilled.<span>  </span>For others, applying tactics itself is an opportunity.<span>  </span>A foot in the door.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media is technology based </strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Social media can involve a host of technologies that are often complicated to learn and understand. <span> </span>Setting up RSS feeds, monitoring online conversations, designing a blog for better SEM, putting together a widget.<span>  </span>It takes technical know how to implement much of these.<span>  </span>And that’s a reason why so many ad agencies and especially PR firms have been resistant in adopting social media.</p>
<p>But the technology is constantly changing, adapting, growing, as is the myriad of ways they can be used for clients.<span>  </span>It often takes someone who is comfortable with technology to succeed.</p>
<p><strong>Social Media is theory based </strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Authenticity. Transparency. Community. Engagement. Listening. Give up some of your control.<span>  </span>All constantly espoused by social media strategists.<span>  </span>These are theories that often go against the grain of traditional thought.<span>  </span>More on engagement and less on contrived messaged, push on people.<span>  </span>This blog post is theoretical. The theories formulate the methodologies that are behind the practices and the services.</p>
<p>These theories are why so many of us blog and offer our opinions and commentaries.<span>  </span>It’s why we read one another’s blogs, friend one another on Facebook and follow one another on Twitter.</p>
<p><strong>Social media is rule based<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>Aren’t authentic or transparent?<span>  </span>Watch out!<span>  </span>You’re gonna get nailed by someone in the blogosphere and it will cost you.<span>  </span>An instant case study as to how NOT do something.<span>  </span>The rules of the game were collectively created and enforced.<span>  </span></p>
<p>We’ve seen traditional agencies, large and small, ignore these rules and push ahead with fake blogs and such.<span>  </span>Ask the folks at <strong>Edelman</strong> and <strong>Zipatoni</strong>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media is anti-bureaucratic<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>This may be one of the most important points of all.<span>  </span>Because its capabilities go beyond the silos of the current corporate communications, because the public arena can embrace it as their own, because it is always changing, and because it involves giving up a serious amount of self control, social media bucks the bureaucratic structure within organizations while it fundamentally changes the relationship between the organization and its stakeholders.</p>
<p>Online as a whole can shift between advertising and PR, causing disruption.<span>  </span>Social media adds to this by bringing in customers, users, and in some cases, communities into the mix.<span>  </span>It resists authority when the authority becomes too controlling.<span>  </span>And authority usually wants control.</p>
<p>Organizational bureaucracies will be changing soon enough because of social media.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be vertical – part 1</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Again, I see social media as being often a separate animal from traditional PR and advertising. For that matter, online advertising itself first created that difference.<span>  </span>Social media extends that difference.<span>  </span>It has its own methodologies that are totally separate from offline advertising. The divisions here may not be silo based; but often the pool of knowledge for success in the social media arena can&#8217;t be found in traditional types.</p>
<p>Simply sticking it under a particular division within an organization can cause stifled growth as it will be badly nurtured by people with a particular preconceived mindset.<span>  </span></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be vertical – part 2<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>It’s vertical in another manner as well.<span>  </span>And this is more of a prediction than a statement of the current conditions, but we will soon see more and more specialized firms pop up that will be geared toward certain segments of the population. <span> </span>Just as there are agencies that are geared toward the Latino market and PR firms that are geared toward the GLBT communities, we’ll see social media agencies that have developed the expertise in reaching out to certain segments of the population.<span>  </span>All you have to do is listen to the many mommy bloggers that complain about their constantly getting hit by pitches from agencies that have no clue on what it’s like being a mom. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be horizontal – part 1</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>From what we all hear, social media will have implications in advertising, public relations, sales, customer service, human resources, investor relations etc. It will take an enterprise wide strategy to implement all of that. And it will take an actual social media strategist who understands all of those departments and who understands the technologies behind social media to devise a plan for that enterprise. <span> </span>He or she will have to be strong enough to lead the way and manage a lot of personalities, but gentle enough to let each department blossom.<span>  </span></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be horizontal – part 2<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>Outside organizations, agencies such as Abraham Harrison and others will continue to emerge and become successful because they will stay on the forefront of all that is happening and how it should be applied.<span>  </span>Companies won’t have the internal expertise nor will they have the time nor the personnel to implement cross functional social media strategies.</p>
<p>So, just as we see ad agencies and PR firms today, we’ll continue to see social media agencies.<span>  </span>There will definitely be a need for them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is push<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, social media still allows you to deliver marketing messages. <span> </span>It can be the conversation starter.<span>  </span>A blog can be push as can a podcast.<span>  </span>Maybe this is obvious but I’ve heard so much talk about sitting back an listening I wanted to add this.<span>  </span>Yes, social media can be overtly promotional.<span>  </span>It just has to be done right.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is pull</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, listening is important.<span>  </span>Then engaging is important.<span>  </span>Done right it creates trust.<span>  </span>Trust is pull.<span>  </span>Pull is good.<span>  </span>Social media is good.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social Media can be web presence centric and dispersed at the same time<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No need to dis the hub of a website. Core elements of an organization’s social media efforts can emanate from but then be dispersed throughout blogs, Flickr, YouTube, etc.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media can be created from within<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is obvious.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media can be created and enhanced by others<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The greatest threat.<span>  </span>The biggest fear.<span>  </span>The challenging factor that causes many an enterprise to resist, to delay implementations. <span> </span>But those on the outside aren’t waiting.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So to me, social media is so multi-dimensional that it can’t be easily defined in one definition, explained in a singular context, bottled up in a particular department.<o:p></o:p></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m in the process of pitching a potential client.  From what I see, if this works out, it will be an excellent opportunity.  They&#8217;re a marketing service provider that offers the traditional services to their client base.  The methods they use are still very much needed, they aren&#8217;t out of date, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F28%2Fthe-procession-to-failure%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F28%2Fthe-procession-to-failure%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I&#8217;m in the process of pitching a potential client.  From what I see, if this works out, it will be an excellent opportunity.  They&#8217;re a marketing service provider that offers the traditional services to their client base.  The methods they use are still very much needed, they aren&#8217;t out of date, and they won&#8217;t be out of date any time soon.  But in this era of digital marketing, those methodologies clearly aren&#8217;t enough.  Not when the users of their clients products are more likely to look online for those very products.</p>
<p>That being said, there were several aspects of conversations I&#8217;ve had with potential clients that have showed me why online marketing has yet to receive the respect that it deserves. Budget allotments, questions about handling things internally, executive level buy-in, a determined need to find specific, immediate ROI.      While I realize that the whole concept of online is still emerging, I nevertheless find this somewhat amazing.  Most people today have integrated the internet into their lives, and have done so for many years. In fact, most of us use it for communication, or entertainment for research.  But, still, there&#8217;s that initial resistance in many people in business.  It&#8217;s not only a reluctance to not only endeavor into this no longer new arena, but to also to take the very steps to learn about it.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve put together a few reasons why I think this is the case.  Each may serve as an &#8220;objection&#8221; that will need to be overcome.  Whether on a one-to-one level upon pitching a potential client.  Or on an industry-wide basis.</p>
<p><strong>Lack of Vision</strong></p>
<p>When companies can&#8217;t see beyond their basic core services, when they don&#8217;t understand &#8211;  or worse, when they don&#8217;t take the time to understand industry trends,  they show an alarming lack of vision.  And it&#8217;s a lack of vision that could kill their business.  It goes back to that &#8220;where should we be in five years?&#8221; question.  They don&#8217;t understand that they have to answer it constantly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen decision makers in some fields effectively make choices to <strong>not</strong> learn anything new.  And it&#8217;s not just because they lack an understanding that they need to change, but they never display the curiosity to learn.  The very curiosity that acts as the impetus in creating a vision that will create change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this in the political arena.  In between elections, I&#8217;d be attending conferences that would discuss the use of the internet in political campaigns.  They&#8217;d be attended by mostly relatively young people, all of whom were politically sharp and internet savvy.  Come election time, they wouldn&#8217;t get a seat at the table.  The more seasoned members would praise them as being &#8220;upcomers&#8221; and they&#8217;d describe themselves to being &#8220;out of the loop&#8221; when it comes to &#8220;all this technology stuff&#8221;, but they&#8217;d always make sure that these young people they&#8217;re supposedly impressed with be kept in the back room with a microscopic budget and no say in any formulation of strategy.</p>
<p><strong>The Disconnect </strong></p>
<p>The mentality seems to be, at best, that the upcoming changes (if they&#8217;re aware of them) don&#8217;t apply to them.  Somehow they feel as if they&#8217;re separate from the rest of the business world.</p>
<p>The mentality is &#8220;Sure I do the majority of my business correspondence via email, and I just bought a book on Amazon for my brother-in-law, and my co-worker&#8217;s now engaged to a guy she met on Match.com, and I&#8217;m planning a vacation by looking at Hotels.com, and I have to check my bank account status today online, and I&#8217;m gonna read that story in the Post that my friend forwarded to me, and I should donate online today to Obama/McCain, and ooh, here&#8217;s an Evite to go to thank event by the river, and I&#8217;ve got to update and add some photos to my Facebook page, and I should read that restaurant review online, and I&#8217;ll just go to the client website to get information, and that was an inspirations quote I was emailed today, and then there was that hilarious video on YouTube, and here at work, I need to place an order through that online catalog, and I want to check out the site for that vet that I need to take Scruffy to, and I should order a film from Netflix.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then they think, &#8220;But I don&#8217;t see how the internet affects my business.  It&#8217;s not tangible to what I do.&#8221;<br />
<strong>Lack of Priority</strong></p>
<p>If one thinks in terms of traditional methods, then one is going to make traditional decisions.  If online is the constant afterthought, the add-on at the end, the low priority, then it&#8217;s never going to move up.  Again, if decision makers don&#8217;t take a step back to learn and see the entire picture, then it will never happen.  Or when it finally does happen, we get&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>We Can </strong><strong>Do It Ourselves</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a trend in business to day to bring in every aspect of markeing communications in house.  That&#8217;s quite common here in the DC area with all of the associations and tech companies.  Many of these organizations turn to the &#8220;folks in IT&#8221; to create the new site that to replace the old one sorely needs an update.  This is the extension of the trend of having one&#8217;s nephew create something on his spare time and then put it up on the web.  The result is often marginal improvements that add nothing to the brand or user experience.  And by not examining beyond the confines of the offiice walls, they never see &#8220;what&#8217;s out there&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>An extra degree of separation</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the right term for all of what I&#8217;ll explain, but I see a lot of the traditional ad agencies and PR firms &#8211; the ones that are the first ones many potential clients go to &#8211; know so little about the fundamentals of online marketing &#8211; let alone the specialty of social media &#8211; that they muck up many marketing efforts.  Flash on homepages of websites, making them slow to download and invisible to search engines.  Things like that.  Blogs that post puff pieces and reworked press releases.</p>
<p>The problem is that those ad agencies and PR firms have the ear of the client, first and foremost. The marketing company hasn&#8217;t taken the time to learn new strategies, technologies, and methodologie while the client doesn&#8217;t know enough about to tell the difference.  The marketing company blocks new concepts from being brought up out of their own ignorance and territorialism.  The client says, fine, you guys are the experts.</p>
<p>The online folks are often then one degree of separation beyond this.  All too often the ear we have is that of the marketing company who may see us as a threat.</p>
<p>Soon, I&#8217;ll talk about what many in the online arena do wrong.</p>
<p>Guess, I&#8217;m just frustrated.  In a bad mood.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s not happening fast enough.  It&#8217;s happening at a rate that will only hurt the everyone.  Social media should be fully integrated into the strategy of a marketer.  It should be an automatic and active ingredient.  No longer should it be viewed as an afterthought, a piece of add-on service designed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F21%2Fintegrated-marketing-should-now-include-social-media%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F21%2Fintegrated-marketing-should-now-include-social-media%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>It&#8217;s not happening fast enough.  It&#8217;s happening at a rate that will only hurt the everyone.  Social media should be fully integrated into the strategy of a marketer.  It should be an automatic and active ingredient.  No longer should it be viewed as an afterthought, a piece of add-on service designed to impress prospective clients that</p>
<p>Ad agencies and PR firms are twin towers of the marketing profession.  Both seek to enhance a client&#8217;s brand through positioning a brand image and by increasing sales.  Both create marketing messages and then submit them to the public in some manner to carry out this mission.  Both rely on the public to respond positively to these marketing messages.</p>
<p>Ad people and PR people like to say that their respective industries are completely separate from one another.   They&#8217;re wrong.  Ad campaigns and PR campaigns feed off one another and use another&#8217;s tools.  If they&#8217;re not well coordinated together, it will often lead to failure.  I&#8217;m often dismayed when I hear a prospective partner on a project show absolute ignorance as to what their client&#8217;s dealings are with the client&#8217;s representative in the other industry.  From what I&#8217;m seeing, that&#8217;s more often true than not</p>
<p>The lack of coordination wastes time, causes embarrassment,  creates conflicting marketing messages, creates conflict, creates turf wars.  It delays projects, makes them go over budget, wastes money, screws up priorities.  Yep, that&#8217;s what it does.</p>
<p>Now add the aspect of social media, a whole new category that takes in elements of both advertising and PR, plus adds in a slew of its own.</p>
<p>Agencies today see social media as an add-on service.  Perhaps one to farm out. One to farm out and control. Or, quite often, an afterthought that could be included to appear more hip to certain types of clients.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/04/30/im-getting-sick-of-the-fear-of-change/">written before</a>,  there still is a significant amount of resistance in agency people to introduce the concept of social media into their clients&#8217; campaigns.  The ad exec or the PR rep who knows little about social media doesn&#8217;t understand and doesn&#8217;t want their client know this.  The marketing executive at the client company is often equally as ignorant and looks to maintain some sort of status quo campaign.</p>
<p>The problem here is that social media is not waiting.  It&#8217;s not waiting for agencies to develop divisions for social media.  It&#8217;s happening RIGHT NOW &#8211; all around them.   While many (often including myself) are pushing to get a seat at the table, the concept of social media has not brought in their own table.  And the action there is often initiated by some of the millions out there having online conversations about products, services, and companies.</p>
<p>All that activity can&#8217;t be controlled, but it can be harnessed.  It can be added too.  And yes, it can be managed, however delicately, with openness and respect.</p>
<p>Time to combine tables.</p>
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		<title>Book publishers are missing the boat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since we&#8217;ve been promoting Jerry White&#8217;s new book I Will Not Be Broken, I&#8217;ve been thinking of the opportunities that the book publishing industry is foregoing by not developing internet and social media marketing strategies.    This also means missing out on dollars.
The types of books I&#8217;m talking about are non-fiction, non-biographical books that cover political [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F02%2Fbook-publishers-are-missing-the-boat%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F02%2Fbook-publishers-are-missing-the-boat%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Since we&#8217;ve been promoting <a href="http://www.survivorcorps.org">Jerry White&#8217;s</a> new book <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.org">I Will Not Be Broken</a>, I&#8217;ve been thinking of the opportunities that the book publishing industry is foregoing by not developing internet and social media marketing strategies.    This also means missing out on dollars.</p>
<p>The types of books I&#8217;m talking about are non-fiction, non-biographical books that cover political and social issues, business trends, diseases and medical conditions, personal triumphs and tragedies, and exposes.  The type of books whose subject matter is already being talked about at length online.</p>
<p>Authors should be encouraged to start their own blogs as they are writing the book.  Too much to handle?  No &#8211; they need not post every day.  Only when they see fit.  And they needed not rewrite their book on their blog.  All they have to do is write about their experiences in writing the book.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thelongtail.com">Chris Anderson</a>, editor of <a href="http://www.wired.com">Wired Magazine</a> did this in writing <a href="http://www.thelongtail.com">The Long Tai</a>l.</p>
<p>But while I think that blogging during the pre-release period is vital, that&#8217;s more up to the blogger.  Publishing houses should be helping their clients develop blogging strategies, be the creation of a book blog or blogger outreach.</p>
<p>Pick a topic.  Global warming.  The U.S. Supreme Court.  Autism.  Steroids in sports.  Create Google alerts for certain terms.  Use Technorati to find blogs and bloggers that write on the same subjects. Publishing houses should have programs set up helping their clients get involved pre- and post-launch of a book.</p>
<p>This way the blogger will get to know the online communities that must be reached out to BEFORE a book is completed.  This was an author will not only familiarize themselves with the potentially hundreds of people out there that are the leading online voices&#8230;but those same voices will get to know the author as well.  And they will be all the more willing to receive a book to review.</p>
<p>Every day, post launch, an author should receive a synopsis of what is being said on the internet about the subject matter of their book &#8211; and the book itself.  The author can then engage bloggers in conversation and extend their influence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently talked to few publishing houses and authors.  Most publishers have no internet marketing budget.  No capability. No understanding of what to do.   Most authors have no clue on how an integrated online marketing plan can benefit them.  And if they do, they can&#8217;t find a publishing house that can help them.</p>
<p>Considering that Jeff Bezos was TIME Magazine&#8217;s Person of the Year back in 1999, that&#8217;s a shame.  And an opportunity.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.
Point #1
Brian Solis:   Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town
Loic:  Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product 
Where do I start?  First of all, Brian&#8217;s spot on in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.</p>
<p>Point #1</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/pr-secrets-for-startups/">Brian Solis</a>:  <strong> Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town<br />
</strong><a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html">Loic</a>:  <strong>Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product </strong></p>
<p>Where do I start?  First of all, Brian&#8217;s spot on in that many top executives in startups overvalue what the product or the service or whatever it is that they&#8217;re introducing.  They don&#8217;t understand that the battleground for attention from key influencers and potential customers is filled with other players battling for attention as well.  Sometimes it&#8217;s necessary to get someone to help craft a pathway through that battlefield, from someone one that understands which weapons and shields are needed.  How to break through that clutter.  Because on that very same battlefield are others looking for sweet victory as well. And that&#8217;s just the battle to get noticed.</p>
<p>Sometimes that&#8217;s having someone who can help craft and deliver a great story.</p>
<p>And, yes, sometimes, one of the best weapons is having established a blog and with that, a burgeoning community.  Loic has done that and kudos to him for that.  He is a great example of what he&#8217;s writing about.</p>
<p>Some of those competitors on the battlefield may not be direct competitors in business.  No matter.  They are still competing for mindshare of the audience a startup wants to reach.</p>
<p>CEOs need to understand this.  They&#8217;ve worked their tails off for a significant period of time to produce something.  That&#8217;s quite an accomplishment in itself.  But many automatically think that whatever they&#8217;ve produce &#8220;sells itself&#8221; that it&#8217;s a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; causing people to automatically understand why they should buy it.  This is called hubris.</p>
<p>Hubris kills.  For example, a trivia question.  Guess who said this last fall:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong> &#8220;I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.”*</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>History is filled with failed startups let by overconfident individuals that failed to realize they need some sort of marketing plan to get the word out, to position the product, to clarify key features and benefits.    They decided to start companies and then implemented  marketing as an afterthought.  In other words, their companies have no stories.</p>
<p>While the atmosphere is much better today, I&#8217;ve seen decision makers that refuse to get this.  It&#8217;s as if they seemingly believe that press rooms of major business publications had fax rooms where eager young interns hang out excitedly to retrieve their press releases and run to the editors with all of your important info. If you lack a story &#8211; and a decent product &#8211; it&#8217;s much more difficult to gain traction.</p>
<p>No, Loic, good stories are often needed.  Stories can explain complex products.  Stories can differentiate between competitors.  Stories can offer insight that go beyond a series of sentences on a press release.  Just as blog posts can.  Blogging and trying to develop a community can  work &#8211; but not really in time to help that start up.  Unless they&#8217;re already a know quality like you.  It also helps when you have a Web 2.0 type service that connects people such as Seesmic.</p>
<p>A second major point regarding Loic&#8217;s comments is that not all good products can get traction.  Just as not every great guitarist gets that major record deal, just as not every great aspiring actress gets the big break, not every great product gets noticed. There are a bunch of factors that influence success.  As Jim Kurkral <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-529232">commented</a> on Loic&#8217;s post, &#8220;Even people with great products can still fail getting coverage.&#8221;  Coverage in industry press, coverage in mainstream press, coverage in blogs.  Nor will all creators of great bloggers be able to form online communities.</p>
<p>For that matter, not every product that meet with success is of top quality.  Sometimes it&#8217;s luck. Previous reputation.  Timing.  Or a great story.</p>
<p>*Trivia answer: Hillary Clinton, (self)presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party in the U.S. Presidential race, describing how quickly she&#8217;ll win the nomination.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the past two months I&#8217;ve been in a mental funk when it comes to blogging.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I got caught up a bit too much following the political primary season and felt that I&#8217;d end up focusing too much on politics.
But now I have Brian Solis, Loic Le Meur, and Robert Scoble [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fone-mans-secret-is-another-mans-bullshit%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fone-mans-secret-is-another-mans-bullshit%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>For the past two months I&#8217;ve been in a mental funk when it comes to blogging.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I got caught up a bit too much following the political primary season and felt that I&#8217;d end up focusing too much on politics.</p>
<p>But now I have Brian Solis, Loic Le Meur, and Robert Scoble to thank for getting me back into the game.</p>
<p>Perhaps the one I should thank the most is Loic because I found much of what he wrote in response to Brian&#8217;s TechCrunch article to be misdirected toward his own experiences.</p>
<p>It started with Brian&#8217;s May 25 article in TechCrunch <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/pr-secrets-for-startups/">&#8220;PR Secrets for Startups&#8221;</a>.  Now that  headline itself is a bit silly as it sounds as if it&#8217;s a headline used in an overhyped industry rag, but the meat of the artilce is pretty much straightforward. He doesn&#8217;t lay out secrets at all, just sound advice.  And while I don&#8217;t agree with the fine line depicted between PR 1.0 and PR 2.0, but there is no question that all of strategic marketing communications is undergoing a transformation and that the internet &#8211; and social media in particular &#8211; are playing key roles in that.</p>
<p>In the article, Brian outlines a series of points that serve a great guideline for most younger startups.  Loic tells us that Brian has many valid point in his post and that Brian knows what he&#8217;s talking about and that he really likes Brian and then he proceeds to write that  what Brian is saying is bullshit.</p>
<p>Well, I like Loic and think he has many valid points and he knows what he&#8217;s talking about, but what Loic is saying is bullshit.  Loic&#8217;s advice is correct for a finite amount of CEOs and a finite amount of startups from a finite amount of industries.  It&#8217;s solid advice in certain circumstances.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start out with Loic&#8217;s major point:</p>
<p><em><strong>Get a community and focus on your friends is the way to go.</strong></em></p>
<p>Good grief.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that this is directly wrong, it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s ridiculous in that it&#8217;s a practically impossible to accomplish task to achieve in the amount of time needed to boost a start up. In fact, formulating one&#8217;s own community can be as difficult as successfully launching a start up in the first place.     Establishing a community can take years &#8211; Loic himself talks of how it took him eight years &#8211; and there&#8217;s no guarantee that the community will stick.</p>
<p>Most prominent blogger don&#8217;t have communities. They may think they do, but they don&#8217;t.  They have  readers instead. Most companies don&#8217;t have communities. They have customers.  Most products and services don&#8217;t have communities.  They have users.  Cultivating a community is similar to cultivating a loyal customer base&#8230;only more difficult.  It takes time, it takes energy, it takes a special touch.  More often than not, it&#8217;s an elusive accomplishment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if one can go down to the local K-Mart and buy a community &#8211; as if it comes in a box &#8211; one that&#8217;s on sale this week only for the low price of $79.95 &#8211; twenty dollars of the regular price of $99.95.<br />
<img src="http://merwin.bespin.org/blogpics/StaplesEasyButtonSmall.jpg" alt="Where can I get one?" /><br />
No, there&#8217;s no Easy Button to press in getting a community.  As commenter <a href="http://www.stagetwoconsulting.com">Jeremy Toeman</a> <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528541">points out</a> &#8220;Loic, I think your assessment is fairly biased to your personal experience. The truth is most companies and individuals aren&#8217;t nearly as well connected as you are, and to just dismiss PR by saying &#8220;just go build a community&#8221; is frankly, naive.&#8221;  Which is <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528755">soon followed</a> by Vinh, &#8220;Where can i get a community? Is it expensive? What happens if I need audience now?&#8221;  Bingo.</p>
<p>Loic himself proves the difficulty in establishing a community by writing &#8220;I took me 8 years since I started blogging in 2003 to have a community and it is no marketing.&#8221; First of all, he&#8217;s so exhausted from establishing that community that he&#8217;s added wrong.  It&#8217;s either 5 years since 2003 or 8 years since 2000.  Whether it&#8217;s 5 or 8 (and I believe it&#8217;s 8), that&#8217;s way to long of a time period for a CEO to wait to effectively kick in as he or she is launching a startup.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.centernetworks.com">Allen Stern</a> has two great comments regarding Loic&#8217;s claim&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528191">First</a>, he points out that it takes more than a desire to have a community to actually accomplish the huge task of establishing a community. &#8220;Loic &#8211; it&#8217;s important to remember that not everyone has the &#8220;instant-on&#8221; connections you do today. While I agree with what you are suggesting about a community completely &#8211; not everyone has &#8220;instant-on&#8221; that you do.&#8221;   He follow this with a <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528321">clear statement of total sense</a>. &#8220;This is why I suggest you work on building your network while you build your startup. Don&#8217;t expect to finish your product and have a network ready to launch it for you.&#8221;  Words of wisdom.</p>
<p>The reality is that the essence of community building is something that&#8217;s often elusive.  One needs talent, time, luck, and a topic or series or topics that engender an interaction amongst readers.  That&#8217;s rare indeed.  Loic has been able to establish this over several years through hard work, a warm and colorul personality, and an effective writing style.  He also benefits from the fact that he&#8217;s launched a company that, at its core, is at the heart of social media.</p>
<p>Community is one of the most dangerously overused terms in social media.  It&#8217;s often bandied about by people who treat the subject matter as if communities already exist or are readily available.  And this then underplays the importance &#8211; and the essence of community.</p>
<p>Next, I&#8217;ll look to take on the Brian vs. Loic debate point by point.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning, Norman Birnbach wrote an article wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:
One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>This morning, <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/05964900498679420101">Norman Birnbach</a> <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/guy-kawasaki-on-impact-of-bloggers-on.html">wrote an article</a> wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-do-you-establish-metrics-for.html">Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview</a>. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to get bloggers to respond.</p></blockquote>
<p>He is not wrong, but I think I need to clarify my definition of &#8220;gift-giving.&#8221; I don&#8217;t emphasize giving away swag, necessarily &#8212; what I do emphasize is gifting &#8212; and giving &#8217;til it hurts, &#8220;What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception.&#8221;</p>
<p><span id="more-3103"></span>The following excerpt is from <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title" title="Permalink to Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers" rel="bookmark">Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers</a> (via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/16/gifting-bloggers-doesnt-mean-pushing-swag/#title">Chris Abraham</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy Sernovitz’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!, especially in his post Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.andysernovitz.com/">Andy Sernovitz</a>’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: <span class="entry-source-title-parent"><a href="http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2Fdamn" class="entry-source-title" target="_blank">Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!</a></span>, especially in his post <a href="http://www.damniwish.com/2008/05/instant-word-of.html">Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants</a>. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title">Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the Medium is the Message</a>):</p>
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<blockquote><p>Give every lunch customer 6 desserts to take back to the office.</p>
<p>Give them one desert and they will eat it.</p>
<p>Give them 6 and they will to announce to everyone that they just ate at your restaurant and you gave them snacks to share.</p>
<p>Lesson:  One free sample is interesting.  Lots of samples turn customers into evangelists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Firstly, while we at <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/">Abraham Harrison</a> do online publicity and blogger outreach exclusively, this advice rings true. First, let me define what we mean by “free samples” and “gifts” in our context.</p>
<p>Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.</p>
<p>For example, with <a href="http://www.survivorcorps.org/">Survivor Corps</a>, not only did we make lots of <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.smnr.us/#download">full-chapters available for download and sharing</a>, but we are making paper hardcover copies available to anyone and everyone who wants one — and the offer is transferable.</p>
<p>While the wide selection of chapters may be generous, offering only a partial book would easily be considered to be stingy and cheap if we were not willing and able to drop-ship complete copies of the book at a moment’s notice without ever demanding a quid pro quo.</p>
<p>Most of the bloggers might very readily blog about <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.org/">I Will Not Be Broken</a> were I to only send a smattering of chapters; even so, the risk associated with not making copies freely available would be intense and is not worth it.</p>
<p>The cost of a hundred books sent to important niche online influencers who have promised to blog about Survivor Corps, whether they ever do is negligible compared to being pegged as cheap and ungrateful.</p>
<p>Even a blogger who has an advertising rate sheet and who would never consider doing a review without being sponsored or paid are often willing to blog on behalf of our clients –  when we get the right balance between influencer-targeting, message-modeling, gift-giving, blogger activation, and following-up.</p>
<p>It works because this is relationship and conversation marketing. There are real people behind those blogs who are sick and tired of not being treated like people and if you can get the mixture right, magic happens.</p>
<p>When we do blogger public relations (often called blogger relations or BR), blogger messaging, or online outreach, it is essential to do everything possible to make sure that the blogger’s free spirit is appreciated and also realize that the blogger is under zero responsibility to blog about your client at all; and, for the same reason that bloggers are pursued by us PR and marketing professionals — their influence, platform, and voice — bloggers are fully capable of turning against you and your client.</p>
<p>Luckily, bloggers are people, marketers are people, even PR professionals are people; therefore, even if something goes wrong during an aggressive messaging and PR compaign, which they often do if you’re being aggressive and passionate, a human touch and human engagement usually does the trick to smooth feathers, clear the air, and make things nice.</p>
<p>Even when clearing the air isn’t possible, it is important to be brave and a little shameless: when you’re in this sort of business, 1% or more of all recipients will have a cow and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much attention, love, adoration, and mea culpas you’re willing or able to invest.</p>
<p>For the Survivor Corps campaign, we have been pretty aggressive. Even before we have delivered our first copy of I Will Not Be Broken to a single blogger, we have received almost 50 blog mentions and posts. Even if we had suffered a couple negative posts as a tithe for the 50 positive mentions, I believe it would still have been worth it.</p>
<p>If you need more proof you can <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/book-promotion-blogger-pr">read the mentions that bloggers have written so</a> far about Jerry White’s book, I Will Not Be Broken, collected well before any actual books arrived via Fedex to the bloggers’ door, you will see that Blogger PR is well worth all of the time and trouble required to make it work right.</p>
<p>Let me know if you have any questions about what we do or how we do it.  I would be very happy to tell you more if you <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/about/chris-abraham-president-and-coo">contact me at Abraham Harrison</a>.</p>
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