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		<title>Using Twitter for Brand Promotion and Engagement</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Cook</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Lauren Cook: Never has the power of Twitter been more evident than in the last few weeks and months. Once known only by &#8220;techies&#8221; and early adopters, this micro-blogging site is now slowly infiltrating into the mainstream and more importantly, affecting the way many of us communicate, listen, and learn.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2009%2F01%2F12%2Fusing-twitter-for-brand-promotion-and-engagement%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2009%2F01%2F12%2Fusing-twitter-for-brand-promotion-and-engagement%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><strong>By <a href="http://www.abrahamharrison.com/about/lauren-cook-project-manager">Lauren Cook</a>:</strong> Never has the power of Twitter been more evident than in the last few weeks and months. Once known only by &#8220;techies&#8221; and early adopters, this micro-blogging site is now slowly infiltrating into the mainstream and more importantly, affecting the way many of us communicate, listen, and learn.</p>
<p>For those not familiar with Twitter, here&#8217;s a quick introduction: <a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a> is a free social networking service that allows users to send and read each other&#8217;s updates (known as &#8220;tweets&#8221;) that are limited to 140 characters in length (think two sentences at most). At its inception in 2006, Twitter (then known as &#8220;Obvious&#8221;) was originally created as a tool to be used internally by the podcasting company, <a href="http://odeo.com/">Odeo</a>. Two years later, over 3 million individuals worldwide have Twitter accounts and the rate in which news spreads has shortened to, well, 140 characters.</p>
<p>Initially, the goal of Twitter was to allow users to share with their &#8220;followers&#8221; exactly what they were doing at that moment (ie: &#8220;It&#8217;s Monday morning and I&#8217;m having Cheerios for breakfast&#8221;). A common misconception among those who aren&#8217;t familiar with Twitter believe this is still the case with the micro-blogging site. In fact, Twitter has grown and expanded and its capabilities have far surpassed solely communicating the mundane details of everyday life.</p>
<p>For instance, take the recent Mumbai attacks in November, 2008. During the three-day battle that left more than 100 dead, social-networking services such as Twitter and <a href="http://www.flickr.com">Flickr</a> were flooded with news, rumors and pictures of the tragedy by what is now termed as &#8220;citizen journalists&#8221; &#8212; users on Twitter that were tweeting breaking news faster than mainstream media could pick up the same information on the news wires. Many people now describe the situation in Mumbai as <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/28/mumbai-twitter-sms-tech-internet-cx_bc_kn_1128mumbai.html?feed=rss_news" id="es-s" target="_blank">&#8220;Twitter&#8217;s moment.&#8221;</a> As a result, major media outlets now uses Twitter to help communicate the real-time public sentiment on various issues, such as Presidential elections, natural disasters, and current events.</p>
<p><a href="http://ahllc.eu">Abraham &amp; Harrison</a> has been at the forefront of the Twitter phenomenon since its public offering, sucessfully leveraging the power of micro-blogging for many of its clients. One only has to take a quick look at Abraham &amp; Harrison&#8217;s President and COO, <a href="http://www.abrahamharrison.com/about/chris-abraham-president-and-coo/complete-bio-chris-abraham" id="yje_" target="_blank" title="Chris Abraham">Chris Abraham</a>, who is known as one of the <a href="http://social-media.alltop.com/" id="tfa5" target="_blank" title="top Twitterers of Social Media news">top Twitterers of Social Media news</a>, having over 2,700 followers, to understand Abraham &amp; Harrison&#8217;s extensive knowledge of cutting edge social media tools.</p>
<p>A fantastic example of Abraham &amp; Harrison&#8217;s knowledge of Twitter is illustrated by our work with the client, <a href="http://www.freshair.org/" id="ar_g" target="_blank" title="The Fresh Air Fund">The Fresh Air Fund</a>, a non-profit agency providing free summer vacations in the country to more than 1.7 million New York City children from disadvantaged communities.</p>
<p>With Abraham &amp; Harrison&#8217;s help, The Fresh Air Fund created a Twitter profile to communicate with other NPOs, current volunteers, potential families interested in The Fresh Air Fund, and donors. In just three months of tweeting, <a href="http://twitter.com/FreshAirFund" id="prp6" target="_blank" title="The Fresh Air Fund Twitter profile">The Fresh Air Fund Twitter profile</a> has over 600 followers and has reached thousands of individuals who they otherwise would never have been in contact with. Not only does Abraham &amp; Harrison help guide</p>
<p>The Fresh Air Fund on how to best utilize Twitter in a respectful and value-driven way, Chris Abraham is also eager to help &#8220;retweet&#8221; The Fresh Air Fund&#8217;s Twitter content, meaning that over 3,000 users are seeing this non-profit&#8217;s messaging, creating a critical relationship with The Fresh Air Fund that results in support of the NPO. <span style="background-color: #ffff00"><span style="background-color: #ffffff">Even more impressive, The Fresh Air Fund was recently nominated to be a part of the </span></span>&#8220;<a href="http://www.twitip.com/construct-your-own-top-10-must-follow-list-as-it-relates-to-your-own-niche/" id="ow4x" target="_blank" title="Top Ten List of Twitterers Who Will Change The World.">Top Ten List of Twitterers Who Will Change The World&#8221;</a> &#8212; a fantastic feat for an NPO who has only been a part of the Twittosphere for three months.</p>
<p>Are you thinking about joining Twitter? One word of warning: You can&#8217;t become a <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/12/07/how-to-become-am-overnight-twitter-celebrity/" id="zeld" target="_blank" title="Twitter sensation overnight">Twitter sensation overnight</a>. As Chris Abraham says, &#8220;Growing a social media profile is like growing a coral reef: after seeding the reef, there are so many things that need to happen before a reef blooms &#8216;in its own.&#8217;&#8221; With Twitter, time and commitment are key in order to position yourself as a valuable addition to the community. &#8220;You need to be generous — give more than you take — and you need to be committed to the long term,&#8221; Chris advises. And it&#8217;s not all about your follower numbers.</p>
<p>For instance, once could argue that Lance Armstrong isn&#8217;t a valuable member of the Twitter community given that he has <a href="http://twitter.com/lancearmstrong" id="gygw" target="_blank" title="over 23,000 followers">over 23,000 followers</a>, but is only following approximately 40 other Twitterers (an improvement since the last time I checked, when he was following a mere 2 users: his Livestrong organization, and one other member of the Livestrong Executive Team).</p>
<p>Twitter isn&#8217;t about just talking about yourself, accepting every follower, and never engaging in actual dialogue. Like every other social networking tool, it&#8217;s about forming relationships, providing valuable content, listening and (like Chris said), giving more than taking.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an unspoken code of ethics followed by well-respected Twitterers, and a strategy that can help you reach your customers and supporters on Twitter while not opening yourself up to criticism and in extreme cases, retaliation (ever heard of the <a href="http://www.socialstudiesblog.com/2008/11/how-social-media-brought-down-motrin.html" id="nz0." target="_blank" title="Motrin Mommies">Motrin Mommies</a> ?). The power of Twitter is increasing daily &#8212; do you know how to harness it? Let <a href="http://www.abrahamharrison.com">Abraham &amp; Harrison</a> show you how.</p>
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		<title>Beware of the seven percent</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a recent blog post on Twisted Image&#8217;s Six Pixels of Separation, &#8220;When Customers Attack, They&#8217;re Not Doing It Online&#8221;, Mitch Joel looks at a recent Harris Interactive study that shows us that 7% of consumers who encountered some sort of difficulty while they were trying to conduct an online transaction then turned to a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F10%2F21%2Fbeware-of-the-seven-percent%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F10%2F21%2Fbeware-of-the-seven-percent%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>In a recent blog post on <a href="http://www.twistedimage.com">Twisted Image&#8217;s</a> Six Pixels of Separation, <a href="http://www.twistimage.com/blog/archives/when-customers-attack-theyre-not-doing-it-online/">&#8220;When Customers Attack, They&#8217;re Not Doing It Online&#8221;</a>, Mitch Joel looks at a recent Harris Interactive study that shows us that 7% of consumers who encountered some sort of difficulty while they were trying to conduct an online transaction then turned to a blog or a social network to vent. Now, I couldn&#8217;t find the study on the Harris site, but I&#8217;ll take Mitch&#8217;s word for it and assume it deals strictly with online transactions.</p>
<p>Then Mitch goes on to say</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Admit it, you thought it would be higher.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>No.  I won&#8217;t admit to that.  I&#8217;d have thought it would be lower.</p>
<p>He then states</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>All in all, it&#8217;s still a little surprising how low these numbers seem.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not surprising to me.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think we forget that most people out there aren&#8217;t necessarily all that familiar with blogs. Or online forums. Sure, they may read a blog or two now and then. And they may turn to a product review site when applicable. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that they play a proactive roll in contributing to these platforms. Just as we so often see only a few people get involved in all sorts of membership organizations and groups, we will also see what I would assume to be a smaller percentage of contributing complainers. For most, it is not a priority. It&#8217;s not part of someone&#8217;s nature or usual routine. <img src="http://digitalstreetjournal.wordpress.com/wp-includes/js/tinymce-294/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" class="mceWPmore" title="More..." /></p>
<p>First of all, someone has to know of a blog (or have one) from which they can either post an entry or write a comment. Or they have to make some sort of comment on a their profile page, be it on Facebook or MySpace or wherever. These take thought processes that go beyond quickly blowing off steam. It involves formulating an articulate series of thoughts, written in a coherent manner. It often takes a considerable amount of time. It can be a bother. It&#8217;s often not worth the effort. It&#8217;s much easier to vent to a friend, a coworker, a relative.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, according to the study, three-quarters of the people complained in person, and half complained to someone they know via the phone. Face to face and over the phone are quick easy established means of communication.</p>
<p>Why am I bringing this up? Because that 7% is actually high. Seven out of one hundred dissatisfied customers (or potential customers) are unhappy enough to take assertive action to coneptualize their thoughts and intentionally let others know. And not in a heat of the moment aspect. This could be somewhat alarming.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because many organizations still don&#8217;t have their acts together online. User interface is a mess. Catalogs make no sense. Online forms that they must fill out can be burdensome. An online store may not remember who someone is. Sometimes it may not be the company&#8217;s fault. A credit card may not go through because of a technical glitch on the credit company&#8217;s end. And not everyone is really ecommerce savvy.</p>
<p>So, yes, it&#8217;s alarming. That&#8217;s because if a company processes 600,000 transactions a month and 2% of them create problems for their customers (not all of the problems necessarily sabotage the transaction), that means you&#8217;ve got 12,000 problems. Of that 7% complain in a blog or on a network. That&#8217;s 840 people. Per month. Getting my calculator out&#8230;that&#8217;s 10,800 online complaints per year. Yikes. That&#8217;s a lot.</p>
<p>Now Mitch does go on to say that</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Putting it in writing and online gives the complaint a permanent digital legacy (one that has an ongoing conversation around it)&#8230;</strong><strong>So, while the percentage may be significantly lower than telling someone in person, the effects of the online complaint probably have a much more dire long-term and overall negative brand effect.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the key point. He&#8217;s spot on. The fact that 7% of unsatisfied customers are making that extra effort &#8211; which as we see could end up meaning thousands of people &#8211; can pose untold problems for today&#8217;s companies. Those proactive seven percenters are could easily be an alarming amount in both real numbers and in influence.</p>
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		<title>Brands with communities&#8230;or just strong brands?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m gonna run with this concept of community for a while.  I&#8217;ve touched on something that&#8217;s created a bit of a spark.  In other words, I value the contributions people have made here and I want to keep the discussion going.
Chris Abraham, in a response to my previous post The Fallacy of Community, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F27%2Fbrands-with-communitiesor-just-strong-brands%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F27%2Fbrands-with-communitiesor-just-strong-brands%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I&#8217;m gonna run with this concept of community for a while.  I&#8217;ve touched on something that&#8217;s created a bit of a spark.  In other words, I value the contributions people have made here and I want to keep the discussion going.</p>
<p><strong>Chris Abraham</strong>, in a <strong><a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/07/24/the-fallacy-of-community/#comment-2948">response</a></strong> to my previous post <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/07/24/the-fallacy-of-community/"><em><strong>The Fallacy of Community</strong></em></a>, gives us a great synopsis of what they&#8217;re about.  <strong>Jeremiah Owyang</strong> has another post that&#8217;s excellent, <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&amp;post=3152"><em><strong>What Makes a Successful Marketing Campaign on Social Networks?</strong></em></a></p>
<p>What got me thinking about this is an exchange I had with <strong>Marco Nunez</strong> of <em><strong><a href="http://aureliusmaximus.wordpress.com/">Aurelius Maximus</a></strong></em> and  <strong>Richard Millington</strong> of <a href="http://www.feverbee.com/"><em><strong>Fever Bee</strong></em></a>.  The discussion centered on the use and misuse of the word &#8220;community&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think that many mistake great brands with enthusiastic users &#8211; users who may even evangelize &#8211; are brands with communities.  Some manage to attain that status of course, but  I&#8217;d say that the majority of them don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s because these brands often don&#8217;t have the users, the clients, the customers that <strong>CONNECT</strong>.  What I&#8217;m offering is the thought that the relationship between community members, while not as vital a the relationship between member and brand, is still important.  Or, if not the direct relationship, the <strong><em>experience</em></strong> one garners with the product brings out a intangible sense of belonging.  That status could be based on enjoyment, on status, on a sense of mission.</p>
<p>So the users have to feel some sort of connection with one another. Marco mentioned Apple. Richard noted Harley Davidson. Chris brought up WordPress. I pointed out Red Sox Nation and Blog Her. These are brands with communities, quasi-organized entities whose members have developed a sense of camaraderie. The camaraderie is genuine. It isn&#8217;t necessarily corporate created and maintained.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that entities such as marketer-created fan pages and groups on the likes of Facebook and MySpace are inherently <em><strong>not </strong></em>communities as well.   They may be clever marketing tactics and they may eventually become communities.  But a page on a website doesn&#8217;t within itself capture the essence of community.  The members do.</p>
<p>Real communities are long-term, if not permanent entities that last beyond a three month marketing campaign on Facebook.   Especially in this day of quickly created social media networking/marketing groups.  That&#8217;s because quite often those groups last as long as a campaign lasts and hence, they aren&#8217;t communities.</p>
<p>I write all this because the idea of &#8220;brand&#8221; is one of the most important in marketing. There&#8217;s been debates for decades on what makes a great brand.  <a href="http://www.robfrankel.com/"><strong>Rob Frankel</strong></a>, one of the best minds in branding says <font color="#000000">&#8220;</font><font color="#000000">Branding is not about getting your prospects              to choose you over your competition; it&#8217;s about getting your prospects              to see you as the only solution to their proble</font>m.&#8221;  Building a brand often takes an enormous amount of work, and many attempts fail. (Note to Richard: this supports your point about Guy Kawasaki and his work for Apple).</p>
<p>At this point we&#8217;re not even touching on brand evangelism.  There are plenty of great brands out there that don&#8217;t cause their enthusiasts to evangelize.  Someone may be dedicated to using Tide Detergent, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;ll tell friends and coworkers&#8230;unless asked.  As I mentioned in a previous post, Tropicana No Pulp Orange Juice is my &#8220;brand&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t evangelize about it.  I just drink it.</p>
<p>But the concept of community goes beyond a great brand, it goes beyond getting evangelists.  It means either organizing those evangelists &#8211; or helping them organize themselves.  It means enabling the members to connect with both the brand and the community.  It then means keeping true to the brand promise so as not to throw off the community members.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I see is behind an enduring, thriving connected brand community.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m going to go against the orthodoxy of my fellow social media practitioners.  I&#8217;m going to commit heresy.  I&#8217;m going upset the apple cart of the proverbial echo chamber.
The new 2008 version of Where the Hell is Matt YouTube video isn&#8217;t going to live up to it&#8217;s intended purpose.  It will be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F14%2Fwhere-the-hell-is-matt-2008-probably-wont-succeed%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F14%2Fwhere-the-hell-is-matt-2008-probably-wont-succeed%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I&#8217;m going to go against the orthodoxy of my fellow social media practitioners.  I&#8217;m going to commit heresy.  I&#8217;m going upset the apple cart of the proverbial echo chamber.</p>
<p>The new 2008 version of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY">Where the Hell is Matt</a> YouTube video isn&#8217;t going to live up to it&#8217;s intended purpose.  It will be something that many of us will talk about, blog about, pontificate about.  Then it will go away.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video if you haven&#8217;t watched it:</p>
<p><center><object height="344" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zlfKdbWwruY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zlfKdbWwruY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></embed></object></center>The reason this campaign will not live up to hype is because it is a direct example as to how social media fails to act as a promotional vehicle.  Viral, yes.  Promotional, not so much.  Sure, some aspects of it may make us feel good&#8230;but so what?  The object of marketing is to  enhance a brand, sustain longterm sales growth, and create profit.  I doubt this will really do a great deal  for much of the above.Sure, it may result in sales increases for the sponsoring company, <a href="http://www.stridegum.com/#/home/">Stride Gum</a>.  But that&#8217;s only if sales right now are very low.  They&#8217;ll get some good press.  But unless they piggyback on it in a couple of months, it will be a social media version of a one hint wonder.We&#8217;ll all love the concept.  We&#8217;ll be inspired by it.  The sense of this one guy dancing away throughout the world with citizens of all these countries.  We&#8217;ll be amazed.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p><span id="more-3136"></span><br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I like the concept.   I&#8217;m not against the concept.  I, like many of you, find the idea of a this young American traveling throughout the world, visiting places, getting to know the people, the culture.  And video taping himself, dancing, often with others, often many others.  And often with children.There&#8217;s something touching about Matt Harding dancing in Jerusalem in one shot, on the West Bank in the next.   There&#8217;s something inspirational seeing him dance with children in Zambia or Morocco or Bhutan.Regarding the &#8220;rules&#8221; of social media, it was done almost flawlessly.  The company didn&#8217;t require him to wear a Stride shirt or hawk the gum or promote it in any way.  All they got was a mention at the end in the credits.  It was right in line with what I&#8217;ve been reading on all these blogs for the past two years.  Subtle, not in your face.  Makes us feel good.But that&#8217;s not enough.  Not in today&#8217;s world.  An ironic thought, considering the theme of the video.  Here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p><strong>It creates little brand awareness</strong></p>
<p>One can watch the video several times and not have any idea that it&#8217;s a marketing effort by Stride Gum.   In fact, I bet the vast majority of people that view it and/or forward it have no idea that there was a company behind this.  The little credit line at the end isn&#8217;t enought.  Sorry, social media folks, but that&#8217;s he way it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.servantofchaos.com/2008/07/dancing-all-the.html">Gavin Heaton says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are 4 million people around the world willing to sit through almost 5 minutes of video. These people are receptive to the simple brand message offered by <a href="http://www.stridegum.com/">Stride Gum</a>. That is 20 million minutes of brand engagement &#8212; opt-in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gavin, even if all 4 million (now it&#8217;s up to 6 million) viewed the entire clip, if they don&#8217;t know that this is in somehow related to Stride Gum, then it ain&#8217;t brand engagement.  They&#8217;re simply watching a cool video on YouTube.  Brand engagement means viewers must be aware that they are, in fact, engaging a brand.  Ergo&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>It has no brand connection </strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting the vast majority of people who watch this video are enamored by it.  Hell, I am as well.  Big time.  Seeing all those people dance with Matt.   I mean, <a href="http://www.ck-blog.com/cks_blog/2008/07/joy.html">CK&#8217;s in joyous tears over it</a>. Yet she wrote a blog post about it&#8230;but didn&#8217;t even mention the sponsor&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>Dancing with some sort of small primates in Madagascar has no connection to chewing gum.</p>
<p>Neither does dancing amidst red crabs on Christmas Island.</p>
<p>I mean, if Matt wore one of those shirts from Stride &#8211; the one&#8217;s that everyone is trilled that he didn&#8217;t wear &#8211; in every, say, 12th location&#8230;so what?  It would have helped the 6 million of us viewers understand what was behind this.  The entire video itself it inspirational enough to overcome that.  A little promotion here and there is not shoving it down anyone&#8217;s throat.  In fact, Matt could have worn other T-shirts as well, saying things like &#8220;End Violence Now&#8221; or &#8220;Help Defeat Malaria&#8221;.  THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL.</p>
<p>So, yeah.  So what if an occasional Stride T-shirt shot pisses off 18 social media marketers who want and demand a false notion of purity.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s a brand behind it, or even related to it, then&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>It creates no brand affinity</strong></p>
<p>We all love Matt now.  Don&#8217;t we? We think he&#8217;s a fine young man.  We want to grow up/be like/have a son like him some day.</p>
<p>We imagine what it must be like to be able to travel to Tonga and Iceland and the Cape of Good Hope.  We want to have that freedom.  We want to be able to experience the world.</p>
<p>The affinity here is with Matt.  This fine young man.</p>
<p>What was the name of that sponsor?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.
Point #1
Brian Solis:   Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town
Loic:  Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.</p>
<p>Point #1</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/pr-secrets-for-startups/">Brian Solis</a>:  <strong> Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town<br />
</strong><a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html">Loic</a>:  <strong>Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product </strong></p>
<p>Where do I start?  First of all, Brian&#8217;s spot on in that many top executives in startups overvalue what the product or the service or whatever it is that they&#8217;re introducing.  They don&#8217;t understand that the battleground for attention from key influencers and potential customers is filled with other players battling for attention as well.  Sometimes it&#8217;s necessary to get someone to help craft a pathway through that battlefield, from someone one that understands which weapons and shields are needed.  How to break through that clutter.  Because on that very same battlefield are others looking for sweet victory as well. And that&#8217;s just the battle to get noticed.</p>
<p>Sometimes that&#8217;s having someone who can help craft and deliver a great story.</p>
<p>And, yes, sometimes, one of the best weapons is having established a blog and with that, a burgeoning community.  Loic has done that and kudos to him for that.  He is a great example of what he&#8217;s writing about.</p>
<p>Some of those competitors on the battlefield may not be direct competitors in business.  No matter.  They are still competing for mindshare of the audience a startup wants to reach.</p>
<p>CEOs need to understand this.  They&#8217;ve worked their tails off for a significant period of time to produce something.  That&#8217;s quite an accomplishment in itself.  But many automatically think that whatever they&#8217;ve produce &#8220;sells itself&#8221; that it&#8217;s a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; causing people to automatically understand why they should buy it.  This is called hubris.</p>
<p>Hubris kills.  For example, a trivia question.  Guess who said this last fall:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong> &#8220;I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.”*</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>History is filled with failed startups let by overconfident individuals that failed to realize they need some sort of marketing plan to get the word out, to position the product, to clarify key features and benefits.    They decided to start companies and then implemented  marketing as an afterthought.  In other words, their companies have no stories.</p>
<p>While the atmosphere is much better today, I&#8217;ve seen decision makers that refuse to get this.  It&#8217;s as if they seemingly believe that press rooms of major business publications had fax rooms where eager young interns hang out excitedly to retrieve their press releases and run to the editors with all of your important info. If you lack a story &#8211; and a decent product &#8211; it&#8217;s much more difficult to gain traction.</p>
<p>No, Loic, good stories are often needed.  Stories can explain complex products.  Stories can differentiate between competitors.  Stories can offer insight that go beyond a series of sentences on a press release.  Just as blog posts can.  Blogging and trying to develop a community can  work &#8211; but not really in time to help that start up.  Unless they&#8217;re already a know quality like you.  It also helps when you have a Web 2.0 type service that connects people such as Seesmic.</p>
<p>A second major point regarding Loic&#8217;s comments is that not all good products can get traction.  Just as not every great guitarist gets that major record deal, just as not every great aspiring actress gets the big break, not every great product gets noticed. There are a bunch of factors that influence success.  As Jim Kurkral <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-529232">commented</a> on Loic&#8217;s post, &#8220;Even people with great products can still fail getting coverage.&#8221;  Coverage in industry press, coverage in mainstream press, coverage in blogs.  Nor will all creators of great bloggers be able to form online communities.</p>
<p>For that matter, not every product that meet with success is of top quality.  Sometimes it&#8217;s luck. Previous reputation.  Timing.  Or a great story.</p>
<p>*Trivia answer: Hillary Clinton, (self)presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party in the U.S. Presidential race, describing how quickly she&#8217;ll win the nomination.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning, Norman Birnbach wrote an article wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:
One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>This morning, <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/05964900498679420101">Norman Birnbach</a> <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/guy-kawasaki-on-impact-of-bloggers-on.html">wrote an article</a> wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-do-you-establish-metrics-for.html">Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview</a>. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to get bloggers to respond.</p></blockquote>
<p>He is not wrong, but I think I need to clarify my definition of &#8220;gift-giving.&#8221; I don&#8217;t emphasize giving away swag, necessarily &#8212; what I do emphasize is gifting &#8212; and giving &#8217;til it hurts, &#8220;What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception.&#8221;</p>
<p><span id="more-3103"></span>The following excerpt is from <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title" title="Permalink to Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers" rel="bookmark">Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers</a> (via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/16/gifting-bloggers-doesnt-mean-pushing-swag/#title">Chris Abraham</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Be Generous When Engaging Bloggers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy Sernovitz’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!, especially in his post Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.andysernovitz.com/">Andy Sernovitz</a>’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: <span class="entry-source-title-parent"><a href="http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2Fdamn" class="entry-source-title" target="_blank">Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!</a></span>, especially in his post <a href="http://www.damniwish.com/2008/05/instant-word-of.html">Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants</a>. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title">Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the Medium is the Message</a>):</p>
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<blockquote><p>Give every lunch customer 6 desserts to take back to the office.</p>
<p>Give them one desert and they will eat it.</p>
<p>Give them 6 and they will to announce to everyone that they just ate at your restaurant and you gave them snacks to share.</p>
<p>Lesson:  One free sample is interesting.  Lots of samples turn customers into evangelists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Firstly, while we at <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/">Abraham Harrison</a> do online publicity and blogger outreach exclusively, this advice rings true. First, let me define what we mean by “free samples” and “gifts” in our context.</p>
<p>Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.</p>
<p>For example, with <a href="http://www.survivorcorps.org/">Survivor Corps</a>, not only did we make lots of <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.smnr.us/#download">full-chapters available for download and sharing</a>, but we are making paper hardcover copies available to anyone and everyone who wants one — and the offer is transferable.</p>
<p>While the wide selection of chapters may be generous, offering only a partial book would easily be considered to be stingy and cheap if we were not willing and able to drop-ship complete copies of the book at a moment’s notice without ever demanding a quid pro quo.</p>
<p>Most of the bloggers might very readily blog about <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.org/">I Will Not Be Broken</a> were I to only send a smattering of chapters; even so, the risk associated with not making copies freely available would be intense and is not worth it.</p>
<p>The cost of a hundred books sent to important niche online influencers who have promised to blog about Survivor Corps, whether they ever do is negligible compared to being pegged as cheap and ungrateful.</p>
<p>Even a blogger who has an advertising rate sheet and who would never consider doing a review without being sponsored or paid are often willing to blog on behalf of our clients –  when we get the right balance between influencer-targeting, message-modeling, gift-giving, blogger activation, and following-up.</p>
<p>It works because this is relationship and conversation marketing. There are real people behind those blogs who are sick and tired of not being treated like people and if you can get the mixture right, magic happens.</p>
<p>When we do blogger public relations (often called blogger relations or BR), blogger messaging, or online outreach, it is essential to do everything possible to make sure that the blogger’s free spirit is appreciated and also realize that the blogger is under zero responsibility to blog about your client at all; and, for the same reason that bloggers are pursued by us PR and marketing professionals — their influence, platform, and voice — bloggers are fully capable of turning against you and your client.</p>
<p>Luckily, bloggers are people, marketers are people, even PR professionals are people; therefore, even if something goes wrong during an aggressive messaging and PR compaign, which they often do if you’re being aggressive and passionate, a human touch and human engagement usually does the trick to smooth feathers, clear the air, and make things nice.</p>
<p>Even when clearing the air isn’t possible, it is important to be brave and a little shameless: when you’re in this sort of business, 1% or more of all recipients will have a cow and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much attention, love, adoration, and mea culpas you’re willing or able to invest.</p>
<p>For the Survivor Corps campaign, we have been pretty aggressive. Even before we have delivered our first copy of I Will Not Be Broken to a single blogger, we have received almost 50 blog mentions and posts. Even if we had suffered a couple negative posts as a tithe for the 50 positive mentions, I believe it would still have been worth it.</p>
<p>If you need more proof you can <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/book-promotion-blogger-pr">read the mentions that bloggers have written so</a> far about Jerry White’s book, I Will Not Be Broken, collected well before any actual books arrived via Fedex to the bloggers’ door, you will see that Blogger PR is well worth all of the time and trouble required to make it work right.</p>
<p>Let me know if you have any questions about what we do or how we do it.  I would be very happy to tell you more if you <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/about/chris-abraham-president-and-coo">contact me at Abraham Harrison</a>.</p>
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		<title>A dilemma for the marketer-agency-media relationship</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my last post, I talked of the coming disruption of the three way relationship between marketer, agency, and media property. Essentially it centers on the idea that marketers (who are often behind themselves) are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the lack of digital savvy of their agencies and are now turning to media properties for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F06%2Fa-dilemma-for-the-marketer-agency-media-relationship%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F06%2Fa-dilemma-for-the-marketer-agency-media-relationship%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>In my <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/03/05/the-disintermediating-of-agencies/">last post</a>, I talked of the coming disruption of the three way relationship between marketer, agency, and media property. Essentially it centers on the idea that marketers (who are often behind themselves) are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the lack of digital savvy of their agencies and are now turning to media properties for strategic ideas and creative capabiliites.  And these media properties are making themselves all the more ready, willing, and able to carry out the needs and wishes of the marketers.</p>
<p>I believe that that&#8217;s happening.  But there&#8217;s still a big problem with that model.  Consistent brand messaging</p>
<p>On a micro-level, this new way of doing things makes perfect sense.  Crafting an marketing campaign tailored to the offerings of an online property could maximize the effectiveness of the campaign itself.  For that media property.</p>
<p>But last I looked, most advertisers don&#8217;t use all their spend on one property.  They&#8217;ll pick many properties in many channels.  They&#8217;ll test here and there.  They&#8217;ll sometimes concentrate on branding, sometimes concentrate on direct , sometimes (and the web makes this more possible, concentrate on both.</p>
<p>If the marketer &#8211; the company that is the end client &#8211; has to tailor each of its marketing messages to that of the publisher, chaos could result.</p>
<p>Publishers will need to realize this and further expand their services, sort of becoming almost full service for their advertisers.  But still, this still could run into brand confusion as each publisher will owe it to their paying client to create the most effective campaign for their specific property or properties, leaving potentially different and confusing brand messages across several media properties.</p>
<p>Wise agencies should see this as the window of opportunity and work with publishers before they even get clients to formulate the framework for effective marketing  campaigns that can perform very effectively over a cross section of properties and platforms.</p>
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		<title>Nine reasons why agencies don&#8217;t get social media</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I decided to put together a list of reasons why I think many marketing agencies &#8220;don&#8217;t  get&#8221; social media.  Some are legitimate reasons, most aren&#8217;t.  Feel free to add some of your own.
1- Elitism
The marketing industries &#8211; advertising, PR &#8211; are considered to be &#8216;cool&#8217; or chic.  These industries (including social [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F03%2Fnine-reasons-why-agencies-dont-get-social-media%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F03%2Fnine-reasons-why-agencies-dont-get-social-media%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I decided to put together a list of reasons why I think many marketing agencies &#8220;don&#8217;t  get&#8221; social media.  Some are legitimate reasons, most aren&#8217;t.  Feel free to add some of your own.</p>
<p><strong>1- Elitism</strong></p>
<p>The marketing industries &#8211; advertising, PR &#8211; are considered to be &#8216;cool&#8217; or chic.  These industries (including social media by the way) are filled with people who are self-consciously aware of this.  For years I&#8217;ve been on online forums filled with ad people trashing the industry, talking about the lack of creative talent the whole time positioning themselves as being above it all.</p>
<p>Enter social media and its marketing aspects and these self-important types have something else to look down upon.  If that attitude is prevelant  in an agency, then it means you&#8217;ve got an agency that&#8217;s closed off to innovation.</p>
<p><strong>2- Lack of Vision</strong></p>
<p>An agency gets an RFP for a major client.  They have meetings to brainstorm.  How to position the brand.  What creative they should use.  Where they should make placements.  Do we look to bring in a spokesperson?  What strategies, what tactics?</p>
<p>And the whole time, social media didn&#8217;t enter their mindset.</p>
<p>That may be because they&#8217;re too rushed to give their response to the RFP and, because they haven&#8217;t had the time to learn much about social media.  When it comes crunch time, it never occurs to them to do something with social media.</p>
<p><strong>3- Lack of Interest</strong></p>
<p>A couple of years ago I contacted a mid-size ad agency to see if they were going to incorporate any type of online marketing capabiliites.  They had no interest in it.  It was more than a lack of vision.  It was simply put, a fundamental lack of interest of what was happening around them</p>
<p><strong>4- Unable to figure out the revenue model</strong></p>
<p>This is an underrated and compelling reason.  I don&#8217;t believe as some doom sayers  do that advertising is on its way out.  But it is changing and some of these new business models involve little revenue.  If you&#8217;ve to a lot of overhead and a project comes in that could mean little revenue,  you&#8217;re going to be flummoxed and scared shitless of this.</p>
<p><strong>5- Terrified of Technology</strong></p>
<p>Often, people in agencies play the &#8220;he&#8217;s a tech guy&#8221; routine.  Cordoning off those who do online stuff as a whole as tech people.  And tech people usually aren&#8217;t marketing types.  So by placing that label on it, ad types both partially remove internet marketers from the decision making pro and  set up a situation where they don&#8217;t have to deal with technology &#8211; and the unknown.</p>
<p><strong>6- They undervalue what it takes to establish a capability</strong></p>
<p>Other times I&#8217;ve talked to agencies that it seems they want to hire someone &#8220;young&#8221; and not pay them much and &#8220;teach&#8221; them about online marketing, even though those that teach no little of what they speak.   Developing an online capability is viewed as a cost, not an opportunity and the idea then is to go as cheaply as possible.</p>
<p><strong>7- Methodologies are still being developed</strong></p>
<p>Yes, this is true.  The field is very new and, while there have been many successes, the constantly changing nature of social media &#8211; blogs, social networks, microblogs, online video, is often in a flux.  Methodologies have to play catch up.</p>
<p><strong>8- Social media is largely unproven</strong></p>
<p>No, this is not heresy.  It&#8217;s the truth, plain and simple.  It&#8217;s an emerging field and, while social media usage is growing phenomenally, it&#8217;s growing in many different directions.  Each time it grow, new lessons have to be applied to new strategies.</p>
<p><strong>9- Too much hype from social media strategists</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Engage or die&#8221;.  &#8220;The customer is in control of the brand&#8221;.  Overblown statements by &#8216;visionaries&#8217; that usually aren&#8217;t true and turn off traditional marketers.  Statements like that seem to be directed at other social media strategists where it becomes part of the echo chamber.  Not everyone had to &#8216;engage&#8217; and not everyone will die if they fail to do so.</p>
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		<title>Marketing and legal need to work together</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just asked a question via Twitter.  And I&#8217;ll repeat it here.
 			  Question for social media types&#8230;many complain about interference from legal dept. when it comes to social media, especially with UGC&#8230;so, are there any conferences, events, seminars, etc. that bring the two groups together to understand one another more? 			 						 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F02%2Fmarketing-and-legal-need-to-work-together%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F03%2F02%2Fmarketing-and-legal-need-to-work-together%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I just <a href="http://twitter.com/jptrenn/statuses/765484457">asked</a> a <a href="http://twitter.com/jptrenn/statuses/765484633">question </a>via Twitter.  And I&#8217;ll repeat it here.</p>
<p><span class="entry-title entry-content"> 			  </span><em><span class="entry-title entry-content">Question for social media types&#8230;many complain about interference from legal dept. when it comes to social media, especially with UGC</span><span class="entry-title entry-content">&#8230;so, are there any conferences, events, seminars, etc. that bring the two groups together to understand one another more? 			</span><span class="meta entry-meta"> 						  <a href="http://twitter.com/jptrenn/statuses/765484633" class="entry-date" rel="bookmark"><abbr class="published" title="2008-03-01T23:13:38+00:00"></abbr></a><span id="status_actions_765484633">  </span></span></em></p>
<p>Not to toot my own horn, but that&#8217;s a good question.  And it&#8217;s one that needs to be answered.</p>
<p>Marketers are essentially  in charge of defining, promoting, enhancing, and protecting the brand.  Lawyers are essentially in charge of protecting the entity, the business, and, yes, the brand.</p>
<p>I got to thinking about this because social media strategists often, as part of their strategy, enlist, encourage, or allow a brands users to play a role in the branding.  I got to thinking of a recent story involving a group of car enthusiasts putting together a picture calendar showing off their cars.  They calendars were to be sold on CafePress.  But there was some sort of communication screw up and it was halted I believe.  Some social media strategists mistakenly blamed the car company.</p>
<p>But then I thought&#8230;wait&#8230;if the legal department did have reservations in this situation, is that necessarily a bad thing?  Think about it&#8230;.</p>
<p>What if one of the participants of an unsolicited consumer generated media effort has let&#8217;s say a problem.  Like a police record.  I mean, let&#8217;s say he&#8217;s the type of guy who could get nailed by Chris Hansen of Nightline.  You know, a pedophile.</p>
<p>Ridiculous?  If you think so, you&#8217;re missing the point.  The point is that legal department and marketing departments are going to have to understand one another and work together to both reasonably promote and protect the brand through social media.  Cutting edge vs. overly cautious won&#8217;t do.  Lawyer potentially nixing or at least getting in the way of potentially effective programs or frustrated marketing types angrily rolling their eyes at the stupidity and interference of the legal department will only serve to stifle the brand, or, potentially worse, leave it unprotected.</p>
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