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		<title>A lesson in how not to do online brand promotion</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a warning to all of us who are doing conversation marketing, buzz marketing, viral marketing, social media marketing, etc. We have all been there and we have seen it many times before.  Some of us have done it!  Well, this must have stung quite a lot.  I can&#8217;t wait to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F11%2F26%2Fa-lesson-in-how-not-to-do-online-brand-promotion%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F11%2F26%2Fa-lesson-in-how-not-to-do-online-brand-promotion%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Here is a warning to all of us who are doing conversation marketing, buzz marketing, viral marketing, social media marketing, etc. We have all been there and we have seen it many times before.  Some of us have done it!  Well, this must have stung quite a lot.  I can&#8217;t wait to find out which agency did this. If anyone knows, please let me know!</p>
<p>I was just farting around <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/">Boing Boing Gadgets</a>, enjoying the fine work over there, post amusement over seeing my <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/a-private-moment-wit.html">business partner become immortal in a Boing Boing post</a> and referred to as &#8220;a globe-trotting alpha male who spends winters rubbing elbows with  bikini models down in Mauretius and summers either indulging in sport  in Berlin or piloting yachts around Cape Horn.&#8221; Well, I started reading comments and there were some funny ones, and then an <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/a-private-moment-wit.html#comment-338600">obvious comment spam about the Motorola Krave</a>. Then, the wolves circled and the entire comment thread started mocking the shiller. Ultimately, <a href="http://dynamic.boingboing.net/profile/Joel%20Johnson">Joel Johnson</a> wrote the following <em><strong>awesome</strong></em> blog post, entitled, <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/motorola-could-you-p.html">Motorola, could you please tell your viral marketer to get out of our comments?</a></p>
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<h3><a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/motorola-could-you-p.html">Motorola, could you please tell your viral marketer to get out of our comments?</a></h3>
<p>In John&#8217;s post about <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/a-private-moment-wit.html">Steve Jobs&#8217; purported tantrum</a>, a commenter &#8220;MGOODE08&#8243; <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/25/a-private-moment-wit.html#comment-338600">made this remark</a>:</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m  so glad my boss isn&#8217;t like that! I&#8217;m working with Motorola right now,  and became a huge fan of the Krave (motorola.com/krave). I especially  like the full touch screen display and html web browser. It&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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<p>On the 14th, he <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/14/google-releasing-spe.html#comment-330627">made this comment</a>:</p>
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<p>Oh  man this looks awesome! I hope they release a version for the Krave by  Motorola. Ever since I started working with Motorola I have became a  huge fan of the phone (motorola.com/krave). With a full list of  features, like a full touch screen, I can&#8217;t stop obsessing over it.</p>
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<p>&#8220;M Goode&#8221; loves this phone so much that he <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/11/12/apples-iphone-offers-the-ideal-micropayments-platform/#comment-912767">posted this at <em>GigaOm</em></a>:</p>
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<p>This  is a very good idea. I think it could be applied to any phones with a  similar format. Ever since I started working with Motorola I have  become a huge fan of the Krave. It has some of the same features, and I  think a built in micropayment system would be great. It’s a fairly new  phone, so if you haven’t seen it yet it’s online at motorola.com/krave.  I wonder if they will jump on the bandwagon when/if a micropayment  system is implemented.</p>
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<p>When he&#8217;s not on tech sites, though, &#8220;M Goode&#8221; loves to <a href="http://www.gamersplatform.com/2008/11/09/call-of-duty-world-at-war-review/">relax with a good game</a>:</p>
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<p>I  wish this game would get released for a mobile gaming platform,  especially the Krave. I have been a fan of this franchise since it’s  first release, and would love to have it on a cell phone, especially  the krave. Ever since I started working with Motorola, I have become a  huge fan of the krave. Has anyone else seen it?(motorola.com/krave)  It’s so loaded with features, most important of which is the full touch  screen layout. It’s DEFINITELY worth checking out.</p>
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<p>He&#8217;s also <a href="http://www.yofrankie.org/?p=593#comment-5447">really into the indie gaming scene</a>:</p>
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<p>I  can’t wait to see this on a mobile phone platform! it would be so cool  to see ti on a Krave! Has anyone else seen it? (motorola.com/krave)  It’s a flip phone with a touch screen, 2 MP camera, full html browser  and bluetooth functionality. Definitely worth checking out.</p>
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<p>But uh oh! He might be considering switching from a Krave <a href="http://www.last100.com/2008/11/10/ive-been-playing-with-nokias-new-touchscreen-phone-the-5800-xpressmusic-aka-the-tube/#comment-65152">to the new Nokia</a>:</p>
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<p>My  favorite phone right now is the Krave by Motorola. I became a huge fan  of the Krave once I started working with Motorola. You can check out  the full spec list online at motorola.com/krave. It’s definitely strong  competition with it’s full touch screen</p>
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<p>(He is also apparently <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/11/21/bbtv-unicorn-chaser.html#comment-335916">working for Cirque Du Soleil</a>, but we&#8217;ll let them pass for the moment because I love acrobats.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Follow  the money,&#8221; they say, but in this case we don&#8217;t have to, because all we  have to do is follow the link. Motorola, if you could be so kind as to  tell your viral marketer to fuck right off we&#8217;d sure appreciate it.  Perhaps you could spend the money instead on making your phones  something that people actually want to buy.</p>
<p>P.S., I love our readers. Check out the replies they immediately started making:</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m  so glad my boss isn&#8217;t like that! I&#8217;m working for Burger King right now,  and became a huge fan of the Mushroom and Swiss Steakhouse Burger. I  especially like the cheese and mushrooms. It&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m  so glad my boss isn&#8217;t like that! I&#8217;m working for a pimp on the corner  of wellwood and barrington and became a huge fan of Allie and her  turrid backstroke technique. I especially like the pop and rock. It&#8217;s  awesome!</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m so glad my boss isn&#8217;t like  that! I&#8217;m working with Cryptozoologia right now, and became a huge fan  of the Trepanasaurus (Cryptozoologia.com/ Trepanasaurus). I especially  like the way that, after the dinosaur-anteater hybrid rips off the top  of a person&#8217;s head with its sharp teeth, it can suck out its victim&#8217;s  brain with its nose. It&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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		<title>So then what is social media all about?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all the discussion on what social media is, what it’s future will be like, who will control it, I often feel we fail to see the forest for the trees. 
I see it as too diverse of a phenomenon to pin down with one easy definition.  Its applications go far beyond the neat [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F30%2Fso-then-what-is-social-media-all-about%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F30%2Fso-then-what-is-social-media-all-about%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><span>With all the discussion on what social media is, what it’s future will be like, who will control it, I often feel we fail to see the forest for the trees. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>I see it as too diverse of a phenomenon to pin down with one easy definition.<span>  </span>Its applications go far beyond the neat capsules that can be used to pick a particular department or function that should “own” it.<span>  </span>Social media is creating, empowering, and accompanying a paradigm shift in the way we use all media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>Are we fully there yet?<span>  </span>Of course not.<span>  </span>These are only the early stages, part of an evolutionary process that often comes step by step.<span>  </span><span> </span>But those steps are happening and happening and soon we’ll look back and be amazed how far we’ve traveled.<span>  </span>Then before we know it again, we’ll be stepping again and look back again and we’ll be amazed how much we’ve come from that first time we looked back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>Yes, organizations are going to have to harness social media in ways that they can benefit from, to reach ROI.<span>  </span>This means trying to create some sort of structure for it without “siloizing” it.<span>  </span>Very difficult indeed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span>I’ve tried to lay out what I see social media as.<span>  </span>Not from a specific definitional standpoint, but from a several miles up point of view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Social media can be a practice within itself</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Social media&#8217;s possibilities extend beyond any traditional established practice (advertising, PR, sales, etc.) to the point that it can be a practice within itself. It can be spread across many departments and, thus, will often need practitioners who can implement coordinated efforts within an organization. The strategic methods used will often have enough attributes on a stand alone basis that it shouldn’t come underneath the heading of another specific department.<span>  </span>I&#8217;d put social media on the same par as advertising and PR. Full service social media firms have sprouted up such as Abraham Harrison to meet today’s needs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be a service</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Because social media is still in its nascent stages, clients and potential clients don&#8217;t always need comprehensive solution packages. They may need to know how to set up a blog and how to get traffic for it. Simple as that. Helping a company to start a blog is a service. So is creating a podcast. Many clients look to cherry pick services to satisfy their needs.<span>  </span>For some in social media, providing a non-coordinated menu of services is where it&#8217;s at. While social media agencies are an emerging industry, there’s not widespread demand quite yet, leaving many practitioners as service providers.</p>
<p><strong>Social media is strategy based<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A company decides to let go of some (but not all) control of its marketing communications message. <span> </span>It views its customers and users on a somewhat equal level and not as blocks of ears to be shouted at and throats to have messages shoved down.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another company uses blogs to work with customers to improve products or come up with new ones.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These are strategic changes that are being implemented.<span>  </span>Social media can change the nature of an organization because it changes the way an organization looks at itself and its relationships with its stakeholders.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore the strategy behind social media empowers change like nothing else can.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is tactically based</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The many tools of social media can be designed to manage a problem or a series of problems.<span>  </span>That’s not something that necessarily changes an organization.<span>  </span>It’s can implemented based strictly upon need.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This can cause a lot of frustration amongst social media strategists as we see a lot of potential opportunities for business not being fulfilled.<span>  </span>For others, applying tactics itself is an opportunity.<span>  </span>A foot in the door.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media is technology based </strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Social media can involve a host of technologies that are often complicated to learn and understand. <span> </span>Setting up RSS feeds, monitoring online conversations, designing a blog for better SEM, putting together a widget.<span>  </span>It takes technical know how to implement much of these.<span>  </span>And that’s a reason why so many ad agencies and especially PR firms have been resistant in adopting social media.</p>
<p>But the technology is constantly changing, adapting, growing, as is the myriad of ways they can be used for clients.<span>  </span>It often takes someone who is comfortable with technology to succeed.</p>
<p><strong>Social Media is theory based </strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Authenticity. Transparency. Community. Engagement. Listening. Give up some of your control.<span>  </span>All constantly espoused by social media strategists.<span>  </span>These are theories that often go against the grain of traditional thought.<span>  </span>More on engagement and less on contrived messaged, push on people.<span>  </span>This blog post is theoretical. The theories formulate the methodologies that are behind the practices and the services.</p>
<p>These theories are why so many of us blog and offer our opinions and commentaries.<span>  </span>It’s why we read one another’s blogs, friend one another on Facebook and follow one another on Twitter.</p>
<p><strong>Social media is rule based<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>Aren’t authentic or transparent?<span>  </span>Watch out!<span>  </span>You’re gonna get nailed by someone in the blogosphere and it will cost you.<span>  </span>An instant case study as to how NOT do something.<span>  </span>The rules of the game were collectively created and enforced.<span>  </span></p>
<p>We’ve seen traditional agencies, large and small, ignore these rules and push ahead with fake blogs and such.<span>  </span>Ask the folks at <strong>Edelman</strong> and <strong>Zipatoni</strong>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media is anti-bureaucratic<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>This may be one of the most important points of all.<span>  </span>Because its capabilities go beyond the silos of the current corporate communications, because the public arena can embrace it as their own, because it is always changing, and because it involves giving up a serious amount of self control, social media bucks the bureaucratic structure within organizations while it fundamentally changes the relationship between the organization and its stakeholders.</p>
<p>Online as a whole can shift between advertising and PR, causing disruption.<span>  </span>Social media adds to this by bringing in customers, users, and in some cases, communities into the mix.<span>  </span>It resists authority when the authority becomes too controlling.<span>  </span>And authority usually wants control.</p>
<p>Organizational bureaucracies will be changing soon enough because of social media.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be vertical – part 1</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Again, I see social media as being often a separate animal from traditional PR and advertising. For that matter, online advertising itself first created that difference.<span>  </span>Social media extends that difference.<span>  </span>It has its own methodologies that are totally separate from offline advertising. The divisions here may not be silo based; but often the pool of knowledge for success in the social media arena can&#8217;t be found in traditional types.</p>
<p>Simply sticking it under a particular division within an organization can cause stifled growth as it will be badly nurtured by people with a particular preconceived mindset.<span>  </span></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be vertical – part 2<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>It’s vertical in another manner as well.<span>  </span>And this is more of a prediction than a statement of the current conditions, but we will soon see more and more specialized firms pop up that will be geared toward certain segments of the population. <span> </span>Just as there are agencies that are geared toward the Latino market and PR firms that are geared toward the GLBT communities, we’ll see social media agencies that have developed the expertise in reaching out to certain segments of the population.<span>  </span>All you have to do is listen to the many mommy bloggers that complain about their constantly getting hit by pitches from agencies that have no clue on what it’s like being a mom. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be horizontal – part 1</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>From what we all hear, social media will have implications in advertising, public relations, sales, customer service, human resources, investor relations etc. It will take an enterprise wide strategy to implement all of that. And it will take an actual social media strategist who understands all of those departments and who understands the technologies behind social media to devise a plan for that enterprise. <span> </span>He or she will have to be strong enough to lead the way and manage a lot of personalities, but gentle enough to let each department blossom.<span>  </span></p>
<p><strong>Social media can be horizontal – part 2<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p>Outside organizations, agencies such as Abraham Harrison and others will continue to emerge and become successful because they will stay on the forefront of all that is happening and how it should be applied.<span>  </span>Companies won’t have the internal expertise nor will they have the time nor the personnel to implement cross functional social media strategies.</p>
<p>So, just as we see ad agencies and PR firms today, we’ll continue to see social media agencies.<span>  </span>There will definitely be a need for them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is push<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, social media still allows you to deliver marketing messages. <span> </span>It can be the conversation starter.<span>  </span>A blog can be push as can a podcast.<span>  </span>Maybe this is obvious but I’ve heard so much talk about sitting back an listening I wanted to add this.<span>  </span>Yes, social media can be overtly promotional.<span>  </span>It just has to be done right.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media is pull</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, listening is important.<span>  </span>Then engaging is important.<span>  </span>Done right it creates trust.<span>  </span>Trust is pull.<span>  </span>Pull is good.<span>  </span>Social media is good.<span>  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social Media can be web presence centric and dispersed at the same time<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No need to dis the hub of a website. Core elements of an organization’s social media efforts can emanate from but then be dispersed throughout blogs, Flickr, YouTube, etc.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media can be created from within<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is obvious.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Social media can be created and enhanced by others<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The greatest threat.<span>  </span>The biggest fear.<span>  </span>The challenging factor that causes many an enterprise to resist, to delay implementations. <span> </span>But those on the outside aren’t waiting.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So to me, social media is so multi-dimensional that it can’t be easily defined in one definition, explained in a singular context, bottled up in a particular department.<o:p></o:p></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F27%2Fbrands-with-communitiesor-just-strong-brands%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F27%2Fbrands-with-communitiesor-just-strong-brands%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I&#8217;m gonna run with this concept of community for a while.  I&#8217;ve touched on something that&#8217;s created a bit of a spark.  In other words, I value the contributions people have made here and I want to keep the discussion going.</p>
<p><strong>Chris Abraham</strong>, in a <strong><a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/07/24/the-fallacy-of-community/#comment-2948">response</a></strong> to my previous post <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/2008/07/24/the-fallacy-of-community/"><em><strong>The Fallacy of Community</strong></em></a>, gives us a great synopsis of what they&#8217;re about.  <strong>Jeremiah Owyang</strong> has another post that&#8217;s excellent, <a href="http://marketingconversation.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&amp;post=3152"><em><strong>What Makes a Successful Marketing Campaign on Social Networks?</strong></em></a></p>
<p>What got me thinking about this is an exchange I had with <strong>Marco Nunez</strong> of <em><strong><a href="http://aureliusmaximus.wordpress.com/">Aurelius Maximus</a></strong></em> and  <strong>Richard Millington</strong> of <a href="http://www.feverbee.com/"><em><strong>Fever Bee</strong></em></a>.  The discussion centered on the use and misuse of the word &#8220;community&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think that many mistake great brands with enthusiastic users &#8211; users who may even evangelize &#8211; are brands with communities.  Some manage to attain that status of course, but  I&#8217;d say that the majority of them don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s because these brands often don&#8217;t have the users, the clients, the customers that <strong>CONNECT</strong>.  What I&#8217;m offering is the thought that the relationship between community members, while not as vital a the relationship between member and brand, is still important.  Or, if not the direct relationship, the <strong><em>experience</em></strong> one garners with the product brings out a intangible sense of belonging.  That status could be based on enjoyment, on status, on a sense of mission.</p>
<p>So the users have to feel some sort of connection with one another. Marco mentioned Apple. Richard noted Harley Davidson. Chris brought up WordPress. I pointed out Red Sox Nation and Blog Her. These are brands with communities, quasi-organized entities whose members have developed a sense of camaraderie. The camaraderie is genuine. It isn&#8217;t necessarily corporate created and maintained.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that entities such as marketer-created fan pages and groups on the likes of Facebook and MySpace are inherently <em><strong>not </strong></em>communities as well.   They may be clever marketing tactics and they may eventually become communities.  But a page on a website doesn&#8217;t within itself capture the essence of community.  The members do.</p>
<p>Real communities are long-term, if not permanent entities that last beyond a three month marketing campaign on Facebook.   Especially in this day of quickly created social media networking/marketing groups.  That&#8217;s because quite often those groups last as long as a campaign lasts and hence, they aren&#8217;t communities.</p>
<p>I write all this because the idea of &#8220;brand&#8221; is one of the most important in marketing. There&#8217;s been debates for decades on what makes a great brand.  <a href="http://www.robfrankel.com/"><strong>Rob Frankel</strong></a>, one of the best minds in branding says <font color="#000000">&#8220;</font><font color="#000000">Branding is not about getting your prospects              to choose you over your competition; it&#8217;s about getting your prospects              to see you as the only solution to their proble</font>m.&#8221;  Building a brand often takes an enormous amount of work, and many attempts fail. (Note to Richard: this supports your point about Guy Kawasaki and his work for Apple).</p>
<p>At this point we&#8217;re not even touching on brand evangelism.  There are plenty of great brands out there that don&#8217;t cause their enthusiasts to evangelize.  Someone may be dedicated to using Tide Detergent, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;ll tell friends and coworkers&#8230;unless asked.  As I mentioned in a previous post, Tropicana No Pulp Orange Juice is my &#8220;brand&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t evangelize about it.  I just drink it.</p>
<p>But the concept of community goes beyond a great brand, it goes beyond getting evangelists.  It means either organizing those evangelists &#8211; or helping them organize themselves.  It means enabling the members to connect with both the brand and the community.  It then means keeping true to the brand promise so as not to throw off the community members.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I see is behind an enduring, thriving connected brand community.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m going to go against the orthodoxy of my fellow social media practitioners.  I&#8217;m going to commit heresy.  I&#8217;m going upset the apple cart of the proverbial echo chamber.
The new 2008 version of Where the Hell is Matt YouTube video isn&#8217;t going to live up to it&#8217;s intended purpose.  It will be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F14%2Fwhere-the-hell-is-matt-2008-probably-wont-succeed%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F14%2Fwhere-the-hell-is-matt-2008-probably-wont-succeed%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>I&#8217;m going to go against the orthodoxy of my fellow social media practitioners.  I&#8217;m going to commit heresy.  I&#8217;m going upset the apple cart of the proverbial echo chamber.</p>
<p>The new 2008 version of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY">Where the Hell is Matt</a> YouTube video isn&#8217;t going to live up to it&#8217;s intended purpose.  It will be something that many of us will talk about, blog about, pontificate about.  Then it will go away.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video if you haven&#8217;t watched it:</p>
<p><center><object height="344" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zlfKdbWwruY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zlfKdbWwruY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></embed></object></center>The reason this campaign will not live up to hype is because it is a direct example as to how social media fails to act as a promotional vehicle.  Viral, yes.  Promotional, not so much.  Sure, some aspects of it may make us feel good&#8230;but so what?  The object of marketing is to  enhance a brand, sustain longterm sales growth, and create profit.  I doubt this will really do a great deal  for much of the above.Sure, it may result in sales increases for the sponsoring company, <a href="http://www.stridegum.com/#/home/">Stride Gum</a>.  But that&#8217;s only if sales right now are very low.  They&#8217;ll get some good press.  But unless they piggyback on it in a couple of months, it will be a social media version of a one hint wonder.We&#8217;ll all love the concept.  We&#8217;ll be inspired by it.  The sense of this one guy dancing away throughout the world with citizens of all these countries.  We&#8217;ll be amazed.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s it.</p>
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Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I like the concept.   I&#8217;m not against the concept.  I, like many of you, find the idea of a this young American traveling throughout the world, visiting places, getting to know the people, the culture.  And video taping himself, dancing, often with others, often many others.  And often with children.There&#8217;s something touching about Matt Harding dancing in Jerusalem in one shot, on the West Bank in the next.   There&#8217;s something inspirational seeing him dance with children in Zambia or Morocco or Bhutan.Regarding the &#8220;rules&#8221; of social media, it was done almost flawlessly.  The company didn&#8217;t require him to wear a Stride shirt or hawk the gum or promote it in any way.  All they got was a mention at the end in the credits.  It was right in line with what I&#8217;ve been reading on all these blogs for the past two years.  Subtle, not in your face.  Makes us feel good.But that&#8217;s not enough.  Not in today&#8217;s world.  An ironic thought, considering the theme of the video.  Here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p><strong>It creates little brand awareness</strong></p>
<p>One can watch the video several times and not have any idea that it&#8217;s a marketing effort by Stride Gum.   In fact, I bet the vast majority of people that view it and/or forward it have no idea that there was a company behind this.  The little credit line at the end isn&#8217;t enought.  Sorry, social media folks, but that&#8217;s he way it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.servantofchaos.com/2008/07/dancing-all-the.html">Gavin Heaton says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are 4 million people around the world willing to sit through almost 5 minutes of video. These people are receptive to the simple brand message offered by <a href="http://www.stridegum.com/">Stride Gum</a>. That is 20 million minutes of brand engagement &#8212; opt-in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gavin, even if all 4 million (now it&#8217;s up to 6 million) viewed the entire clip, if they don&#8217;t know that this is in somehow related to Stride Gum, then it ain&#8217;t brand engagement.  They&#8217;re simply watching a cool video on YouTube.  Brand engagement means viewers must be aware that they are, in fact, engaging a brand.  Ergo&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>It has no brand connection </strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting the vast majority of people who watch this video are enamored by it.  Hell, I am as well.  Big time.  Seeing all those people dance with Matt.   I mean, <a href="http://www.ck-blog.com/cks_blog/2008/07/joy.html">CK&#8217;s in joyous tears over it</a>. Yet she wrote a blog post about it&#8230;but didn&#8217;t even mention the sponsor&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>Dancing with some sort of small primates in Madagascar has no connection to chewing gum.</p>
<p>Neither does dancing amidst red crabs on Christmas Island.</p>
<p>I mean, if Matt wore one of those shirts from Stride &#8211; the one&#8217;s that everyone is trilled that he didn&#8217;t wear &#8211; in every, say, 12th location&#8230;so what?  It would have helped the 6 million of us viewers understand what was behind this.  The entire video itself it inspirational enough to overcome that.  A little promotion here and there is not shoving it down anyone&#8217;s throat.  In fact, Matt could have worn other T-shirts as well, saying things like &#8220;End Violence Now&#8221; or &#8220;Help Defeat Malaria&#8221;.  THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL.</p>
<p>So, yeah.  So what if an occasional Stride T-shirt shot pisses off 18 social media marketers who want and demand a false notion of purity.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s a brand behind it, or even related to it, then&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>It creates no brand affinity</strong></p>
<p>We all love Matt now.  Don&#8217;t we? We think he&#8217;s a fine young man.  We want to grow up/be like/have a son like him some day.</p>
<p>We imagine what it must be like to be able to travel to Tonga and Iceland and the Cape of Good Hope.  We want to have that freedom.  We want to be able to experience the world.</p>
<p>The affinity here is with Matt.  This fine young man.</p>
<p>What was the name of that sponsor?</p>
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		<title>More on the Viacom YouTube/Google struggle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current legal battle between Viacom and Google/YouTube is going to have significant ramifications beyond today&#8217;s headlines.  It&#8217;s getting surprisingly little play amongst much of the social media digerati, but it&#8217;s something we all need to be aware of.
The lawsuit and the proceedings around it are truly a sign of the times.  It&#8217;s a direct [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F11%2Fmore-on-the-viacom-youtubegoogle-struggle%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F07%2F11%2Fmore-on-the-viacom-youtubegoogle-struggle%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>The current legal battle between Viacom and Google/YouTube is going to have significant ramifications beyond today&#8217;s headlines.  It&#8217;s getting surprisingly little play amongst much of the social media digerati, but it&#8217;s something we all need to be aware of.</p>
<p>The lawsuit and the proceedings around it are truly a sign of the times.  It&#8217;s a direct outgrowth of what we&#8217;ve been emerging via the internet over the past several years.  Sites such as YouTube have essentially become free communicative vehicles to not only view, but  share and alter video productions of all types.  The concept of &#8220;share&#8221; is important because most of us use it.  But in reality, it is a nice way of saying &#8220;distribute&#8221;.  And from distribute comes distribution &#8211; a fundamental with tremendous legal ramifications.</p>
<p>Alter is a tough one too.  The &#8220;mash-ups&#8221; that many in social media and digital marketing talk of enthusiastically can be as problematic.  As, I guess, it should be.  At least in some cases.  An artist creates an original piece of work.  Then distributes it, usually netting some sort of financial gain.  Others take it, and now because of new tools can alter it and redistribute it.  Many times this new process leads to lost potential revenue for the original artist.<span id="more-3135"></span></p>
<p>Basically what has happened was that YouTube became extremely popular practically overnight.  So now we have tens of thousands of people posting videos &#8211; videos that may be copyrighted material (or at least contain copyrighted material).  Interested parties on the original creative/distribution side sort of stood by, trying to figure what to make of it.  That means artist, recording studios and major distributors.  Sometimes it makes sense to let things slide.  Other times it means lost revenue.  Copyright infringement.  But how the major players handle themselves at this juncture will probably set precedents for years to come.</p>
<p>All of this brouhaha is a result of overlapping laws, revenue distribution models, current legal precedents in related industries, and perhaps most importantly, the determination by key players to establish new legal precedents and business processes.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that there is little established law beyond the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) that establishes a foundation to base anything on.  Consequently, it&#8217;s been up to the courts to decide what it legal and what it not.  This puts all parties in a bind because the likely solutions could create a lot of losers.</p>
<p>Currently, web properties that entail copyrighted digital content are required to get two licenses from interested parties.  One is a reproduction license from the record company as the record company often has sole rights for reproduction.  The second is a public performance license from the performers and/or their agent representatives.</p>
<p>But the problem is that its not that YouTube is getting those licenses them selves and then showing the videos &#8211; videos that can&#8217;t be downloaded and distributed.  The problem is that anyone can take a copyrighted video and uploaded it up to YouTube.  Now the video can be distributed as others can now download it.</p>
<p>Representatives of the music and entertainment industries are thus saying that YouTube would thus need a distribution license as well.  And these arguments have been paying off in court.  YouTube is acting as an enabler, intended or not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if Google and YouTube have been sitting still in all this, letting everything stupidly happen.  They&#8217;ve already reached agreements on  reproduction with major music labels and artist representatives.  But that, of course, doesn&#8217;t address distribution models.</p>
<p>YouTube is making some efforts &#8211; but it&#8217;s the nature of their business model that&#8217;s hurting them on this.  And the popularity of the service.</p>
<p>For one, they limit the time allowed for videos to 10 minutes.  This way, whole programs can&#8217;t be recorded and posted.  YouTube has also set up a &#8220;content identification system&#8221; that allows a content owner to set up a &#8220;reference file&#8221; on copyrighted work which enables YouTube to locate exact matches between a piece of copyrighted work and something that is posted.  The problem there is that anything can be altered, and alterations (those pesky &#8220;mashups&#8221; can throw the system off.  Once YouTube identifies a piece of copyrighted material, they then contact the artists and productions studios to inquire as to whether or not it should be removed.</p>
<p>Those that continually upload copyrighted material will be asked to stop, and if they fail to do so, can have their YouTube account suspended.</p>
<p>All in all, YouTube seems to be doing all it can to stop all of this.  But the current technological capabilities, coupled with the site&#8217;s enormous popularity have made it impossible to really have an effective system in place.  At least in the mindset of companies like Viacom.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.
Point #1
Brian Solis:   Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town
Loic:  Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fthe-story-can-ignite-the-sizzle%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Let&#8217;s take a look at the debate between Brian and Loic, point by point.</p>
<p>Point #1</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/pr-secrets-for-startups/">Brian Solis</a>:  <strong> Understand You’re Not the Only Story in Town<br />
</strong><a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html">Loic</a>:  <strong>Who cares about stories, you can get traction and users if you have a good product </strong></p>
<p>Where do I start?  First of all, Brian&#8217;s spot on in that many top executives in startups overvalue what the product or the service or whatever it is that they&#8217;re introducing.  They don&#8217;t understand that the battleground for attention from key influencers and potential customers is filled with other players battling for attention as well.  Sometimes it&#8217;s necessary to get someone to help craft a pathway through that battlefield, from someone one that understands which weapons and shields are needed.  How to break through that clutter.  Because on that very same battlefield are others looking for sweet victory as well. And that&#8217;s just the battle to get noticed.</p>
<p>Sometimes that&#8217;s having someone who can help craft and deliver a great story.</p>
<p>And, yes, sometimes, one of the best weapons is having established a blog and with that, a burgeoning community.  Loic has done that and kudos to him for that.  He is a great example of what he&#8217;s writing about.</p>
<p>Some of those competitors on the battlefield may not be direct competitors in business.  No matter.  They are still competing for mindshare of the audience a startup wants to reach.</p>
<p>CEOs need to understand this.  They&#8217;ve worked their tails off for a significant period of time to produce something.  That&#8217;s quite an accomplishment in itself.  But many automatically think that whatever they&#8217;ve produce &#8220;sells itself&#8221; that it&#8217;s a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; causing people to automatically understand why they should buy it.  This is called hubris.</p>
<p>Hubris kills.  For example, a trivia question.  Guess who said this last fall:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong> &#8220;I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.”*</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>History is filled with failed startups let by overconfident individuals that failed to realize they need some sort of marketing plan to get the word out, to position the product, to clarify key features and benefits.    They decided to start companies and then implemented  marketing as an afterthought.  In other words, their companies have no stories.</p>
<p>While the atmosphere is much better today, I&#8217;ve seen decision makers that refuse to get this.  It&#8217;s as if they seemingly believe that press rooms of major business publications had fax rooms where eager young interns hang out excitedly to retrieve their press releases and run to the editors with all of your important info. If you lack a story &#8211; and a decent product &#8211; it&#8217;s much more difficult to gain traction.</p>
<p>No, Loic, good stories are often needed.  Stories can explain complex products.  Stories can differentiate between competitors.  Stories can offer insight that go beyond a series of sentences on a press release.  Just as blog posts can.  Blogging and trying to develop a community can  work &#8211; but not really in time to help that start up.  Unless they&#8217;re already a know quality like you.  It also helps when you have a Web 2.0 type service that connects people such as Seesmic.</p>
<p>A second major point regarding Loic&#8217;s comments is that not all good products can get traction.  Just as not every great guitarist gets that major record deal, just as not every great aspiring actress gets the big break, not every great product gets noticed. There are a bunch of factors that influence success.  As Jim Kurkral <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-529232">commented</a> on Loic&#8217;s post, &#8220;Even people with great products can still fail getting coverage.&#8221;  Coverage in industry press, coverage in mainstream press, coverage in blogs.  Nor will all creators of great bloggers be able to form online communities.</p>
<p>For that matter, not every product that meet with success is of top quality.  Sometimes it&#8217;s luck. Previous reputation.  Timing.  Or a great story.</p>
<p>*Trivia answer: Hillary Clinton, (self)presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party in the U.S. Presidential race, describing how quickly she&#8217;ll win the nomination.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the past two months I&#8217;ve been in a mental funk when it comes to blogging.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I got caught up a bit too much following the political primary season and felt that I&#8217;d end up focusing too much on politics.
But now I have Brian Solis, Loic Le Meur, and Robert Scoble [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fone-mans-secret-is-another-mans-bullshit%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F17%2Fone-mans-secret-is-another-mans-bullshit%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>For the past two months I&#8217;ve been in a mental funk when it comes to blogging.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I got caught up a bit too much following the political primary season and felt that I&#8217;d end up focusing too much on politics.</p>
<p>But now I have Brian Solis, Loic Le Meur, and Robert Scoble to thank for getting me back into the game.</p>
<p>Perhaps the one I should thank the most is Loic because I found much of what he wrote in response to Brian&#8217;s TechCrunch article to be misdirected toward his own experiences.</p>
<p>It started with Brian&#8217;s May 25 article in TechCrunch <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/pr-secrets-for-startups/">&#8220;PR Secrets for Startups&#8221;</a>.  Now that  headline itself is a bit silly as it sounds as if it&#8217;s a headline used in an overhyped industry rag, but the meat of the artilce is pretty much straightforward. He doesn&#8217;t lay out secrets at all, just sound advice.  And while I don&#8217;t agree with the fine line depicted between PR 1.0 and PR 2.0, but there is no question that all of strategic marketing communications is undergoing a transformation and that the internet &#8211; and social media in particular &#8211; are playing key roles in that.</p>
<p>In the article, Brian outlines a series of points that serve a great guideline for most younger startups.  Loic tells us that Brian has many valid point in his post and that Brian knows what he&#8217;s talking about and that he really likes Brian and then he proceeds to write that  what Brian is saying is bullshit.</p>
<p>Well, I like Loic and think he has many valid points and he knows what he&#8217;s talking about, but what Loic is saying is bullshit.  Loic&#8217;s advice is correct for a finite amount of CEOs and a finite amount of startups from a finite amount of industries.  It&#8217;s solid advice in certain circumstances.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start out with Loic&#8217;s major point:</p>
<p><em><strong>Get a community and focus on your friends is the way to go.</strong></em></p>
<p>Good grief.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that this is directly wrong, it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s ridiculous in that it&#8217;s a practically impossible to accomplish task to achieve in the amount of time needed to boost a start up. In fact, formulating one&#8217;s own community can be as difficult as successfully launching a start up in the first place.     Establishing a community can take years &#8211; Loic himself talks of how it took him eight years &#8211; and there&#8217;s no guarantee that the community will stick.</p>
<p>Most prominent blogger don&#8217;t have communities. They may think they do, but they don&#8217;t.  They have  readers instead. Most companies don&#8217;t have communities. They have customers.  Most products and services don&#8217;t have communities.  They have users.  Cultivating a community is similar to cultivating a loyal customer base&#8230;only more difficult.  It takes time, it takes energy, it takes a special touch.  More often than not, it&#8217;s an elusive accomplishment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if one can go down to the local K-Mart and buy a community &#8211; as if it comes in a box &#8211; one that&#8217;s on sale this week only for the low price of $79.95 &#8211; twenty dollars of the regular price of $99.95.<br />
<img src="http://merwin.bespin.org/blogpics/StaplesEasyButtonSmall.jpg" alt="Where can I get one?" /><br />
No, there&#8217;s no Easy Button to press in getting a community.  As commenter <a href="http://www.stagetwoconsulting.com">Jeremy Toeman</a> <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528541">points out</a> &#8220;Loic, I think your assessment is fairly biased to your personal experience. The truth is most companies and individuals aren&#8217;t nearly as well connected as you are, and to just dismiss PR by saying &#8220;just go build a community&#8221; is frankly, naive.&#8221;  Which is <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528755">soon followed</a> by Vinh, &#8220;Where can i get a community? Is it expensive? What happens if I need audience now?&#8221;  Bingo.</p>
<p>Loic himself proves the difficulty in establishing a community by writing &#8220;I took me 8 years since I started blogging in 2003 to have a community and it is no marketing.&#8221; First of all, he&#8217;s so exhausted from establishing that community that he&#8217;s added wrong.  It&#8217;s either 5 years since 2003 or 8 years since 2000.  Whether it&#8217;s 5 or 8 (and I believe it&#8217;s 8), that&#8217;s way to long of a time period for a CEO to wait to effectively kick in as he or she is launching a startup.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.centernetworks.com">Allen Stern</a> has two great comments regarding Loic&#8217;s claim&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528191">First</a>, he points out that it takes more than a desire to have a community to actually accomplish the huge task of establishing a community. &#8220;Loic &#8211; it&#8217;s important to remember that not everyone has the &#8220;instant-on&#8221; connections you do today. While I agree with what you are suggesting about a community completely &#8211; not everyone has &#8220;instant-on&#8221; that you do.&#8221;   He follow this with a <a href="http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/05/pr-secrets-bull.html#comment-528321">clear statement of total sense</a>. &#8220;This is why I suggest you work on building your network while you build your startup. Don&#8217;t expect to finish your product and have a network ready to launch it for you.&#8221;  Words of wisdom.</p>
<p>The reality is that the essence of community building is something that&#8217;s often elusive.  One needs talent, time, luck, and a topic or series or topics that engender an interaction amongst readers.  That&#8217;s rare indeed.  Loic has been able to establish this over several years through hard work, a warm and colorul personality, and an effective writing style.  He also benefits from the fact that he&#8217;s launched a company that, at its core, is at the heart of social media.</p>
<p>Community is one of the most dangerously overused terms in social media.  It&#8217;s often bandied about by people who treat the subject matter as if communities already exist or are readily available.  And this then underplays the importance &#8211; and the essence of community.</p>
<p>Next, I&#8217;ll look to take on the Brian vs. Loic debate point by point.</p>
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		<title>Gifting Bloggers Doesn’t Mean Pushing Swag</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning, Norman Birnbach wrote an article wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:
One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F16%2Fgifting-bloggers-doesn%25e2%2580%2599t-mean-pushing-swag%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>This morning, <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/05964900498679420101">Norman Birnbach</a> <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/guy-kawasaki-on-impact-of-bloggers-on.html">wrote an article</a> wherein he suggests that I emphasize giving swag:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of his tips is to &#8220;Give swag&#8221; &#8212; a point that <a href="http://prbacktalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-do-you-establish-metrics-for.html">Chris Abraham emphasized in a recent interview</a>. The reason is that blogging is often a second career and there are few perks so swag can make a difference to get bloggers to respond.</p></blockquote>
<p>He is not wrong, but I think I need to clarify my definition of &#8220;gift-giving.&#8221; I don&#8217;t emphasize giving away swag, necessarily &#8212; what I do emphasize is gifting &#8212; and giving &#8217;til it hurts, &#8220;What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception.&#8221;</p>
<p><span id="more-3103"></span>The following excerpt is from <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title" title="Permalink to Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers" rel="bookmark">Be Generous, Not Stingy, When Engaging Bloggers</a> (via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/16/gifting-bloggers-doesnt-mean-pushing-swag/#title">Chris Abraham</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Why some basic articles mean so much</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rich Karpinski just wrote an article that&#8217;s featured on the front page of BtoB.  The information in the article is basic.  It&#8217;s not groundbreaking.  It&#8217;s about a trend that, if you&#8217;re reading this blog, then you&#8217;re already familiar with.  It&#8217;s about how businesses are now embracing blogging.
Karpinski points out how only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F09%2Fwhy-some-basic-articles-mean-so-much%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F09%2Fwhy-some-basic-articles-mean-so-much%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Rich Karpinski just <a href="http://www.btobonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080609/FREE/31028456/1150/ISSUENEWS">wrote an article</a> that&#8217;s featured on the front page of BtoB.  The information in the article is basic.  It&#8217;s not groundbreaking.  It&#8217;s about a trend that, if you&#8217;re reading this blog, then you&#8217;re already familiar with.  It&#8217;s about how businesses are now embracing blogging.</p>
<p>Karpinski points out how only aroudn 12% of Fortune 500 companies run corporate blogs. But he gives key examples of how companies such as Dell, Kodak, Intel, SAP, and IBM run coporate blogs.</p>
<p>The reason articles such as this can be important is because it is located in a targeted business publication.  It&#8217;s readers, many of whom are at he very least involved in corporate markting at some sort of senior level, need to be exposed to more articles such as this.  Larger publications such as Business Week feature <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_22/b4086044617865.htm?chan=search">similar articles</a> that carry influence.</p>
<p>The more exposure senior managers &#8211; be they in marketing or technology or finance &#8211; get exposed to blogging and, more importantly overall, social media as a business cultural paradigm, then the more likely they are finally going to &#8220;get it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Articles such as these are a form of professional-word-of-mouth.   Many of the decision makers &#8211; those that are in the 88% of the Fortune 500 that don&#8217;t have corporate blogs aren&#8217;t going to be reading social media marketing blogs.  Many of them haven&#8217;t heard of Todd And&#8217;s PowerList or the Age of Conversation or ooVoo.  They&#8217;re not on Twitter.  They don&#8217;t care about any of that.  And there&#8217;s enough of them out there that that&#8217;s fine&#8230;for now.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s why wee need more basic articles like Rick Karpinski&#8217;s.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy Sernovitz’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!, especially in his post Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketingconversation.com%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Falways-be-generous-when-engaging-bloggers%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.andysernovitz.com/">Andy Sernovitz</a>’s blog’s name says it all, and definitely reflects my response to reading this: <span class="entry-source-title-parent"><a href="http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2Fdamn" class="entry-source-title" target="_blank">Damn, I Wish I’d Thought of That!</a></span>, especially in his post <a href="http://www.damniwish.com/2008/05/instant-word-of.html">Instant Word of Mouth for Restaurants</a>. From our experience doing blogger outreach and blogger gift-giving, this is on-the-money advice you should all consider (Via <a href="http://chrisabraham.com/2008/06/02/be-geneous-not-stingy-when-engaging-bloggers/#title">Chris Abraham &#8212; Because the Medium is the Message</a>):</p>
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<blockquote><p>Give every lunch customer 6 desserts to take back to the office.</p>
<p>Give them one desert and they will eat it.</p>
<p>Give them 6 and they will to announce to everyone that they just ate at your restaurant and you gave them snacks to share.</p>
<p>Lesson:  One free sample is interesting.  Lots of samples turn customers into evangelists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Firstly, while we at <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/">Abraham Harrison</a> do online publicity and blogger outreach exclusively, this advice rings true. First, let me define what we mean by “free samples” and “gifts” in our context.</p>
<p>Gifts don’t have to be free stuff — like books or iPods — gifts can be in the form of knowledge, intellectual property, insider access, or blogger exclusives; gifts can be informational, gifts can solve a community problem, or customer service issues.</p>
<p>What a gift needs to be is super-valuable to the recipient — the value of a gift is based on perception. You need to be willing to give the gift that the blogger wants and not the gift you are prepared or want to give.</p>
<p>What is not cool is half measures or crappy, throw-away gifts, the Internet version of key rings and a bowl of candy. Offering throttled, limited or restricted demos (without access to the full version when it is released); offering a single book chapter (without the whole book being an option); or granting “exclusive” access to something that is already released is just plain lame and will result in severe negative consequences.</p>
<p>It is pretty bad to not give a gift when you reach out to bloggers just because you feel entitled or represent a fancy client but it is worse to be stingy about the gift you do give. Make sure the gift is generous — give until it hurts.</p>
<p>For example, with <a href="http://www.survivorcorps.org/">Survivor Corps</a>, not only did we make lots of <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.smnr.us/#download">full-chapters available for download and sharing</a>, but we are making paper hardcover copies available to anyone and everyone who wants one — and the offer is transferable.</p>
<p>While the wide selection of chapters may be generous, offering only a partial book would easily be considered to be stingy and cheap if we were not willing and able to drop-ship complete copies of the book at a moment’s notice without ever demanding a quid pro quo.</p>
<p>Most of the bloggers might very readily blog about <a href="http://iwillnotbebroken.org/">I Will Not Be Broken</a> were I to only send a smattering of chapters; even so, the risk associated with not making copies freely available would be intense and is not worth it.</p>
<p>The cost of a hundred books sent to important niche online influencers who have promised to blog about Survivor Corps, whether they ever do is negligible compared to being pegged as cheap and ungrateful.</p>
<p>Even a blogger who has an advertising rate sheet and who would never consider doing a review without being sponsored or paid are often willing to blog on behalf of our clients –  when we get the right balance between influencer-targeting, message-modeling, gift-giving, blogger activation, and following-up.</p>
<p>It works because this is relationship and conversation marketing. There are real people behind those blogs who are sick and tired of not being treated like people and if you can get the mixture right, magic happens.</p>
<p>When we do blogger public relations (often called blogger relations or BR), blogger messaging, or online outreach, it is essential to do everything possible to make sure that the blogger’s free spirit is appreciated and also realize that the blogger is under zero responsibility to blog about your client at all; and, for the same reason that bloggers are pursued by us PR and marketing professionals — their influence, platform, and voice — bloggers are fully capable of turning against you and your client.</p>
<p>Luckily, bloggers are people, marketers are people, even PR professionals are people; therefore, even if something goes wrong during an aggressive messaging and PR compaign, which they often do if you’re being aggressive and passionate, a human touch and human engagement usually does the trick to smooth feathers, clear the air, and make things nice.</p>
<p>Even when clearing the air isn’t possible, it is important to be brave and a little shameless: when you’re in this sort of business, 1% or more of all recipients will have a cow and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much attention, love, adoration, and mea culpas you’re willing or able to invest.</p>
<p>For the Survivor Corps campaign, we have been pretty aggressive. Even before we have delivered our first copy of I Will Not Be Broken to a single blogger, we have received almost 50 blog mentions and posts. Even if we had suffered a couple negative posts as a tithe for the 50 positive mentions, I believe it would still have been worth it.</p>
<p>If you need more proof you can <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/book-promotion-blogger-pr">read the mentions that bloggers have written so</a> far about Jerry White’s book, I Will Not Be Broken, collected well before any actual books arrived via Fedex to the bloggers’ door, you will see that Blogger PR is well worth all of the time and trouble required to make it work right.</p>
<p>Let me know if you have any questions about what we do or how we do it.  I would be very happy to tell you more if you <a href="http://abrahamharrison.com/about/chris-abraham-president-and-coo">contact me at Abraham Harrison</a>.</p>
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