On Thursday I had a chat with Shiv Singh, Vice President of Social Media & Global Strategic Initiatives at AvenueA/Razorfish and the leader of the company’s social media efforts. He’s behind the upcoming launch AdLife, and effort that AA/R and Pluck, the social media technology company.

The service will combine traditional digital marketing - ad units - with social media aspects. In other words, consumer generated content. This sounds like an excellent idea and I hope it works. It’s in it’s early stages and won’t be up and running until this fall.

I’ve never been anti-banner. At first they got too much hype and then became unfairly trashed as being useless. But they still, in my book, put a product or a service name out there, giving would be stakeholders inadvertent exposure.

What AdLife offers is rich media models in which the public - you and me - can contribute to the marketing message. Be it a short product review, a small piece of artwork, a photo. At this point, it can’t include video or audio, but who knows? At some point it may.

I did, and still do, have some concerns about the feature. Some of the content will have to be vetted so as to keep the presentation consistent with the brand. And vetting could lead to client control - doing away with a negative review. But vetting will be needed. Heck, I could add a “Hire Me” post and it could appear all over the place.

Secondly, Shiv mentioned that they’ll be working with their Fortune 100-1000 clients and the ads will probably appear on larger sites. My concern their is that, as we see with social media, targeted sights based on demographic similarities or by interest may be the spots where this plays best. The more targeted, the more people usually want to share information. Sites for moms, for geeks, for sports fans. Many of those sites are huge enough.

The bottom line here is that online marketing needs this. Traditional digital could use a means to involve the viewers of the ads and social media needs to be able to be seen by those who aren’t necessarily looking for it at the time they see it.

I think this will be a success for those reasons.

Thanks to Shiv for the interview and AvenueA/Razorfish PR person Katie Lamkin for setting it up.

I’ve read and reread Michael Arrington’s screed on the state of PR today. No doubt he’s had his full of moronic pitches from overly enthusiastic types pushing this story or that. Many of the pitches will be totally inappropriate for TechCrunch.

If you’re an entrepreneur, he’s got some great basic advice laid out. He also has some dangerous ideas that, once again, show me that some of the people out there who become somewhat successful in a relatively short time have: a tendency to assume that most aspects of marketing are somewhat frivolous and that all one has to do is follow these small steps.

Let’s get right to what he wrote:

So back to practical advice: what do you do if you’re a startup looking for help in getting the word out about your company? First off, don’t hire PR help until the volume of inbound requests by press are simply too much to handle without help. That’s way down the line for most companies.

Until then, take the time to start reading blogs and other publications that cover what you’re doing. Go to an event or two. This should be fun for you, since they’re writing about stuff that you’re spending all your time on. You’ll start to see links to other relevant sites, and before long you’ll fully understand who’s who in the space, get a feel for people’s personalities and passions, etc. Leave a few thoughtful comments. Better yet, start your own blog and link appropriately. And in your leisure time participate in the fascinating conversations occurring on Twitter and FriendFeed.

Suddenly you are no longer just a spectator with an agenda. You are now part of a community. You are a person that gives and takes. Someone who makes the overall network stronger. And I guarantee that after a few weeks of actually participating in the community, you’ll have far better press connections than most of the PR people we deal with daily.

I highlighted that last sentence because it is so stupid. A few weeks? Please. It’s like telling an aspiring actress that all she has to do is go to Hollywood and hang out at a few cool places for a couple of weeks and she’ll have far better connections than most agents.

Other than that, it sounds like great advice. And it is, for the most part. But it’s unrealistic for many. And it consistently spewed out views - seconded by many of the repondees that they’ve got in all under control as far as marketing goes. I’ve seen many a crash and burn from those who take on this mindset. That’s because they don’t think beyond the mindset.

If there’s a shitload of competition out there to break through the noise, then there’s a shitload of competition to break through h noise. Regardless of whom is getting out there amidst the conversations both online and off.

One intrepid PR person, a real fireball by the name of Kel Kelly, came in and told it like it is:

Most of our clients are savvy, Web 2.0-based businesses and they come to us because the “blogosphere only” strategy failed miserably…

…As for having the CEOs do it themselves, I encourage you to get your lips off the crack pipe and step away. Most of my CEOs don’t have time to scratch their ass never mind build and execute a blogosphere strategy or pitch, secure and manage a segment on The Today Show.

Kel is my new best friend. She hit that one out of the park. The problem with Arrington’s point is that applies to so few people. It makes sense, but it often ain’t enough.

I nevertheless think he’s onto something in that entrepreneurs have to be their own evangelists. But I’d say the best thing they could do is enlist the services of a seasoned PR professional that knows the lay of the land…meaning knows the niche industry that the start-up is entering, meaning the key media people and key blogs and bloggers. A sherpa that acts as the initial guide. Press releases aren’t needed. Big pitches aren’t needed. Or at least as much. This type of person should be looked upon at “marketing/PR counsel”, just as an attorney is looked upon as being legal counsel.

Here’s the danger of doing a full fledged DIY strategy:

Time

If you remember, Kel said “Most of my CEOs don’t have time to scratch their ass never mind build and execute a blogosphere strategy or pitch, secure and manage a segment on The Today Show.” Oh, yeah!

So true it’s laughable. Starting and running a business is hard work. It’s a lot of work. It takes boatloads of dedication and time. Getting involved in online conversations and running one’s own blog is hard work. It can be a lot of work, It can take boatloads of dedication and time.

Entrepreneurs are human. I’m going to stereotype, but most of the audience that we’re talking about here are relatively young (under 50). A lot in their thirties. Mostly men. A lot of those have young families. They work 10-15 hour days during the workweek and another 5-8 on a weekend day. When they’re home, they’re going to want to spend time with their spouses and perhaps read their children a bedtime story - that’s if they’re home in time. Spending another 1-3 hours a day reading online mags and blogs is going to be too much. Some can do it. Most can’t.

Better Insight

Timing is everything. A PR person - a good one that is - can see trends coming down the pike. They’ll know editorial calendars. They’ll know when it’s too soon for this or a little late for that. PR people can often get you in the right place at the right time.

They’ll often know which event are worth checking out and which ones may be a waste of time and money.

They’ll know what makes key editors and bloggers take notice. The entrepreneur won’t. Which brings me to my third point…

Hubris

The reality is that, from what I’ve witnessed, the majority of people behind start ups fall overly in love with their products and/or services that they fail to realize that most other people won’t give a shit. They overvalue the relative worth of what they’ve created. They’ll enter conversations all pumped and they won’t necessarily contribute the way they should. They won’t “listen” that much. They don’t understand that most people aren’t going to listen them as well.

They’ll think that they should be featured in the today’s business section and on tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal. A crafty PR person can cut through the hubris and blind enthusiasm and set the record straight.

Just like Kel Kelly did.

by Jonathan Trenn

I just read to intriguing posts on PR.  One is by Michael Arrington on, of course, TechCrunch.    It would be a great piece except that I disagree with his key point.

Then, as Chris pointed out, The PR Roadblock On the Road to Blissful Blogging.  Jeremy Pepper wrote something really special with Can I Get a Big Cup of STFU Please?

I figured I’d add my two cents here, somewhat separate from the above, but nevertheless related to them.

Why PR is a mess?  Because we’ve - in the haste to make money and keep on top of things - have made it that way.  I’m talking PR firms.  PR firms usually hire a slew of young people.  Often, mostly women these days.  They’re enthusiastic.  They’re inexpensive.  They’re green.  That doesn’t mean that they lack talent.  It means they lack experience, contacts, and, at times knowledge.

But that happens in a lot of professions.

The firm will get a client from a pitch.  The CEO of the client or whomever is/are the key person/people at the client firm don’t really understand PR.  They see it as fluff.  They see young women in these positions and see it as if these people are marketing administrators.  But they want press coverage and think that most publications have people sitting around in rooms waiting around faxed press releases or emails or phone calls and their product/service is so great that the editor will stop the presses to do story.

The client may be in a niche field and the PR firm may be generalists.

To get maximum exposure, the PR firm may end up doing a blast fax/email after also using PRNewswire or BusinessWire.  Then the relatively young people follow up.  They don’t have those relationships yet so they may screw up.

Editors and producers and reporters often will get bombarded.  Now it’s bloggers.  But they should realize that it comes with the territory.  For the most part.  I still read blogs that complain - completely legitimately - that they’ll get hit on for everything.

But part of the problem is that the need for PR may outweigh the number of people who understand certain niches, have the contacts, and are available.  So the need for PR then gets spread to these firms that rely on younger people.

So it can be a mess.  But that doens’t mean it’s always wrong.  What agencies need to do is take their new hires and cultivate them.  Give them some extra cash to meet and grab some grub with reporters.  Don’t just teach them your procedures, teach them how to be professionals.  They represent your company.

A note about Abraham Harrison

Oddly, for a virtual company, there’s little disconnect.  Maybe it’s because we’re social media based.  Dealing with bloggers is like suggesting.  Each attempt is not a life and death situation.  Please, please, please cover my client dear editor.  Doesn’t happen.  That’s hard for a virtual  company to pull off.   And AH has.